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Bush "Memos" Look Forged
28 years in the military | 9/9/04

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:59 AM PDT by pabianice

On a previous thread the author makes excellent points about the anachronism error in the "memos" the Liberals have recently "discovered" regarding George Bush's alleged "desertion" and "dereliction of duty" while in the Texas ANG.

A look at these memos shows another problem. A big problem. To understand it, you have to understand a bit about the military. In official documents of any kind, proper rank abbreviations are strictly enforced, to the point that, if they are incorrect, the document has to be destroyed and rewritten. A document forwarded with incorrect acronyms is returned for resubmittal.

The "memos" the Liberal Gang has "discovered," showing Bush to have been a shirker, all carry a consistent incorrect abbreviation for his rank. The only acceptable abbreviation for a USAF or ANG first lieutenant is "1LT." I have also seen, rarely, it written "1/LT," although this is the exception. All the "recently discovered" memos about Bush say "1stLt." While I am Navy and not Air Force, to the best of my knowledge, this is not allowed, let alone a mispunctuated memo addressed to Bush as "1stLt.3244754FG."

I am willing to bet a week's pay that these memos are forgeries.


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To: pabianice

These memos are in tru-type fonts. Not only are the forgeries, they are obvious forgeries. There is no way CBS could be so stupid that they do not know what they have.


21 posted on 09/09/2004 8:13:13 AM PDT by bondjamesbond
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To: All
slightly off topic, but I missed the interview.
Did CBS ever question Barnes on the fact that the time Bush joined the guard he was the Lt Governor, but in fact was not even in the country, thus he could not have given the deferment..
22 posted on 09/09/2004 8:13:47 AM PDT by mnehring (YP4W)
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To: pabianice
Another questions about format is the format of the dates. What was the standard used at that base or the air force? Was it to use all caps for the month?

A point that has been made already is that August 18, 1973, is a Saturday. It might be easy, provided you can access the records, to verify who was on the base working on that date. Also, someone had to type these records, if they are real documents then there is a service man or woman who can collaborate them or help to debunk them.
23 posted on 09/09/2004 8:13:58 AM PDT by VoteHarryBrowne2000 (We must fight the Black Veil of Islamic Fascism!)
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To: Travis McGee
Yep theres a V on his silver star...........oooops wrong canidates records. Never mind......:o)

Stay safe !

24 posted on 09/09/2004 8:14:41 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: pabianice

Here is a good link that shows official military rank abbreviations:

http://www.army.mil/soldiers/styleguide/styleguide4.html


25 posted on 09/09/2004 8:15:02 AM PDT by Preachin' (Democrats are liars...)
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To: pabianice

I don't think we can make too much about the use of abbreviations, etc. Remember, these are personal memos to the file. I write them all the time in my work within the US government. It's so that when someone accuses me of not knowing about, or dealing with, a situation, I can pull out my file and show them my thoughts at the time. Since they are for personal files, it's reasonable that they would not be on letterhead, and not follow strict military memo guidance.

In any event, I think the memos, if real, are harmless.


26 posted on 09/09/2004 8:16:55 AM PDT by dwaynestomp
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27 posted on 09/09/2004 8:16:57 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: ladtx
Military (Army) Abrevs.

Private, E-1: PVT

Private, E-2: PV2

Private First Class, E-3: PFC

Specialist (Old Spec4): Spec; (SP4)

Sergeant, E-5: SGT

Staff Sergeant, E-6: SSG

Sergeant First Class, E-7: SFC

Master Sergeant, E-8: MSG

First Sergeant, E-8: 1SG

Sergeant Major, E-9: SGM

Command Sergeant Major, E-9: CSM

Second Lieutenant, 0-1: 2LT

First Lieutenant, 0-2: 1LT

Captain, 0-3: CPT

Major, 0-4: MAJ

Lieutenant Colonel, 0-5: LTC

Colonel, 0-6: COL

Brigadier General, 0-7: BG

Major General, 0-8: MG

Lieutenant General, 0-9: LTG

General, 0-10: GEN

28 posted on 09/09/2004 8:19:25 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The time is coming for all true Patriots to rise up and take back this Republic!)
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To: dwaynestomp
I don't think we can make too much about the use of abbreviations, etc. Remember, these are personal memos to the file. I write them all the time in my work within the US government. It's so that when someone accuses me of not knowing about, or dealing with, a situation, I can pull out my file and show them my thoughts at the time. Since they are for personal files, it's reasonable that they would not be on letterhead, and not follow strict military memo guidance. In any event, I think the memos, if real, are harmless.

You're saying that a senior officer would mis-abbreviate his own rank ("Lt. Colonel") on an important document that he himself typed. Sorry. I don't buy it.

29 posted on 09/09/2004 8:21:21 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: crushelits

The IBM Selectric which we used extensively in the early 1980's was a daisy whell device which did not use proportional spacing to the best of my knowledge. I don't think it was even technically possible at that time, much less a decade earlier in the early 1970's. Also, I was a training sergeant and buncked with the company clerk. It is true that rank abbreviations were done exactly one way and 1LT is correct for first louie.


30 posted on 09/09/2004 8:21:27 AM PDT by Wardawg (Hanoi John was here.)
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To: dwaynestomp

You're wrong on this one. Proper use of rank abbreviations is so ingrained that even in personal notes proper usage would be utilized, particularly if the person writing the memo has served many years in the military. I've been retired for 16 years and still use proper abbreviations.


31 posted on 09/09/2004 8:25:02 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: bondjamesbond
There is no way CBS could be so stupid that they do not know what they have.

Irrational hate can be very blinding.

32 posted on 09/09/2004 8:26:31 AM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: Bush_Democrat

Thanks! I'm having trouble "finding" it all myself!


33 posted on 09/09/2004 8:29:04 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: mnehrling

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210702/posts


34 posted on 09/09/2004 8:29:54 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: norton
Don't suppose you could just tell us if the variable spacing statement is true or not?

I believe I was the one who first broached the subject of proportional spacing in an earlier thread. However, I've since backed off because it's been pointed out to me that there were several models of composing machines available in 1972 that were capable of proportional spacing.

35 posted on 09/09/2004 8:42:27 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: bondjamesbond
There is no way CBS could be so stupid that they do not know what they have.

There are so few military veterans working in journalism that they don't even "know what they don't know." What I mean is that they could easily fall for a forgery because they don't recognize details like rank abbreviations and other minutea that the military takes VERY seriously.

The networks wouldn't need to retain so many military consultants if they'd just hire a few of their journalists from the military instead of continuing to hire exclusively from the J-schools.

36 posted on 09/09/2004 8:43:22 AM PDT by Tallguy (If Clinton did a good job stopping the Millenium Bomber, I've got 2 Towers in NYC to sell you...)
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To: bondjamesbond
These memos are in tru-type fonts. Not only are the forgeries, they are obvious forgeries. There is no way CBS could be so stupid that they do not know what they have.

When you are really horny for something, you don't notice a fake until the doll blows up in your face.

37 posted on 09/09/2004 8:47:42 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/lookup/encyclopedia/ib/IBM_Golfball.html

This has the background on the IBM Seletric. However, judging from the other things that are wrong about these memos and the clearly forged signature, I think it is safe to say that these are bogus documents.


38 posted on 09/09/2004 8:48:19 AM PDT by bootyist-monk (<--------------------- Republican Attack Machine)
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To: pabianice

Guys this memo will go no where because bush didnt make his service an issue. If you drag it all out you keep it in the news like the swiftys did. Be smart. People dont care with Bush, they care about kerry lying about his record because he ran on it.


39 posted on 09/09/2004 8:50:37 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: pabianice

The Kerry Kamp's Nuance Team is already working on the spin:

"These documents were planted by Bush operatives to trick us.

They took advantage of our gross incompetence and blind
lust for dirt on Bush.

It's just so unfair."
_______________

In other news, although already off the Kerry team,
Sandy Berger was fired again for bungling an archival
document insertion mission.


40 posted on 09/09/2004 8:53:51 AM PDT by Boundless
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