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Question about forgery

Posted on 09/11/2004 9:15:10 AM PDT by cpurick

Simple question. It seems obvious to me that the forgeries were not created on a typewriter. I have my doubts that a typewriter could have produced such perfect proportional spacing, and the MS Word workarounds (i.e. "9921 st") are blatant. Plus, of course, there's no accounting for why this small sample of documents would be the only ones produced by such an advanced process.

Anyway, can anyone explain why the "th" in "187th" (the 18 AUG 73 "Memo to file") is superscripted with a different alignment than Times New Roman 12-pt?

For example, Word aligns the top of the superscript w/ the top of the letters, while the memo has the top of the superscript above the letters. This is pretty obvious in animations. Any theories on how this was done?


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1 posted on 09/11/2004 9:15:11 AM PDT by cpurick
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My suspicion is that a different version of Word was used. Has anyone checked Word 2000 or Word '97?
2 posted on 09/11/2004 9:17:54 AM PDT by Physicist
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Word aligns the top of the superscript w/ the top of the letters

This is not the case. The "th" is clearly above the top of the numerals both in the screen font and in my printed font (HP LaserJet 1200).

3 posted on 09/11/2004 9:18:39 AM PDT by Henk
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There are also military jargonistic problems with the 'memo'.


4 posted on 09/11/2004 9:19:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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That is the difference between a "screen shot" and a "print out".

The rendering seems to be slightly different with the superscript.

There are animations and overlays out now that compare the original memos to the printed version, and they are perfect.


5 posted on 09/11/2004 9:21:11 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Lazamataz

Also Staudt retired in '72 and the memo refering to him was dated '73....


6 posted on 09/11/2004 9:21:47 AM PDT by FesterUSMC
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To: cpurick

That isn't a different alignment, it's standard font superscripted and thus 'shrunk' in size.
Looks really weird, agreed, but rather obvious.
Any typewriter I had that had a 'th' key had the 'th' stylised similar to italics.
(To use the 'th' key on that typewriter you had to hit the 'half shift' key.)


Besides the obvious problems with the lettering itself, the addresses are suspicious.
"P.O. box 34567"??
How much more obvious does it have to be for someone to notice it's faked?

That's liek a phony telephone number "1-800-123-4567"


7 posted on 09/11/2004 9:22:27 AM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: Physicist

WordPerfect 11 maybe..


8 posted on 09/11/2004 9:22:45 AM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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Also Staudt retired in '72 and the memo refering to him was dated '73....

< Democrat Idiocy>
So it took him a long time to finish the memo! You've never procrastinated????
< /Democrat Idiocy>

9 posted on 09/11/2004 9:23:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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Besides the obvious problems with the lettering itself, the addresses are suspicious. "P.O. box 34567"??

That address was lifted from an authentic document, released by Bush sometime before January of this year.

http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc7.gif <-- See for yourself

The forger took this address (which was given as being for Bush's TexANG unit) and used it for the typed letterhead.

10 posted on 09/11/2004 9:25:13 AM PDT by Cboldt
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I think that the default superscript is a few sizes smaller. If the default shrink is not great enough, the tops of the superscript are forced over the tops of the rest of the text.

It might be illuminating to see just who's defaults are altered...
11 posted on 09/11/2004 9:26:33 AM PDT by null and void (the mockery of life in a galvanized body)
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You have it backwards about where the th appears with Microsoft Word. Trying to muddy the waters a little??


12 posted on 09/11/2004 9:26:44 AM PDT by Modok
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Someome here thursday had a word program that matched the document exactly. I don't know what version or what options they used to do it.


13 posted on 09/11/2004 9:26:58 AM PDT by bad company (What's the font kenneth?)
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MS Word's WYSIWYG has quirks that render things differently on screen as opposed to on paper. You need to compare the CBS document with a printed version of Word's output.


14 posted on 09/11/2004 9:28:00 AM PDT by drwiii
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To: cpurick

It is possible to change the font size or face for a few characters in the middle of a document.

For example, say we are using 12 pt Times New Roman as used in the forgeries. We have a superscript character<s) that we want to alter its appearance, we could simply change the super scripted character(s) to 10 point type or any other size.


15 posted on 09/11/2004 9:28:11 AM PDT by punster
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111th

Word 2000, Times New Roman 26pt.

16 posted on 09/11/2004 9:28:37 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (78 % of the world doesn't want a strong leader in America. 90% of the world wants John Kerry.)
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On one thread, someone created the Word file, created a PDF file of it and the "th" matched up almost perfectly. So I believe the difference is that you are comparing a Word document to CBS's PDF file of a word document.


17 posted on 09/11/2004 9:31:34 AM PDT by JLS
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I think you're talking about something LittleGreenFootballs.com discussed.

In order to have the superscripts align perfectly, you have to print out both docs.

Your average printer can't duplicate the DPI on your computer screen so the superscript is adjusted by the printer for 600 DPI.

The forgery was printed out and run through a copier a few times to "age" it....and then scanned to PDF so what you see in the CBS PDF is actually a picture of the printed version.

18 posted on 09/11/2004 9:32:20 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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I tried it with Microsoft Word for Windows 95, Version 7.0a. I used Times New Roman, 12-point.

The "th" superscript (placed there automatically, by the way) was slightly above the number on the screen. The printed version, however, was higher, and identical to the forgery.

19 posted on 09/11/2004 9:34:54 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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There are also military jargonistic problems with the 'memo'.

Anybody who's been around military officers know they would never express themselves in such informal language in a memo that concerned official business. They just don't write in that colloquial fashion. Military types are extremely laconic, knowing that words used loosely can be harmful to themselves or others. The very precise use of language is very important in the services and they wouldn't write like a junior clerk in a commercial enterprise.

20 posted on 09/11/2004 9:36:52 AM PDT by Sabatier
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