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9-13 Live Thread: CBS Evening News - What will Dan say?
www.freerepublic.com ^ | Howlin

Posted on 09/13/2004 2:41:52 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2

Howlin started a Live Thread September 10, 2004 to see what Dan would say. He told us his report was the facts and nothing but the facts.

Well, it is now Monday, the 13th. What will Dan say today?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: MarDav
So much of the vitriol in political and public discourse today can be laid at the feet of these propagandists who have used a Chinese-water-torture approach to dulling the political sense of Americans to the point where these monolithic beasts feel it is their duty and obligation to filter our news, tell us what is important in the world, shade and distort stories to accommodate a particular (and left-ward) ideology. The mind-numbed, knowing no better, feel a sense of outrage when someone thinks it could be any different from what Dan, or Tom, or Peter have told them it must be.

You are right, we don't want government infringing on free speech. But we also don't want arrogant demagogues ruling our (yes, OUR) airwaves and foisting on us the narrowness that is their opinion.

There are many people who would buy that statement, word for word, except that they would substitute "right-ward" for "left-ward". That is, there are many people who believe that Dan, Tom and Peter slant the news to the right. Should they be in charge of what goes out over "our" airwaves? I prefer letting the marketplace of ideas sort it out, especially now that the market includes talk radio and the web.

441 posted on 09/13/2004 5:29:03 PM PDT by xlib
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To: Travis McGee
Rather will be gone before October.

Remember when the Boston Globe suspended Jeff Jacoby for four months in 2000 over a column about the signers of the Declaration of Independence? The Globe said he plagiarized a column that was floating around the internet; Jacoby said that the Globe wanted to silence him during the 2000 election.

Is this incident with Rather any different? Shouldn't CBS, at the very least, suspend Dan Rather until after the election? And then, while he's on suspension, they can float rumors about him not coming back.

-PJ

442 posted on 09/13/2004 5:31:24 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: MarDav

" My point in raising this issue is that the CBS expert (of the day) can say with all confidence and veracity (and not fear being labelled a liar) that the technology was available (the kool-aid drinker will stop listening here)..."

When Rather trotted out his expert to claim " of course the technology existed " as proof the memos were legit,
it demonstrated that to CBS and their advertisers, their target audience must be morons.


443 posted on 09/13/2004 5:31:50 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Thomas Sowell calls them 'the anointed'.


444 posted on 09/13/2004 5:34:02 PM PDT by MarDav (,)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I think Rather is going to be dragged out in a strait jacket, screaming and swinging his head at the attendants.
445 posted on 09/13/2004 5:35:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: dep
the other ridiculous statement is that with modern software it is impossible to use a lowercase l in place of a 1.

Is that what that idiot said? I thought that's what I heard. Damn, I wish we could get a transcript.

446 posted on 09/13/2004 5:35:45 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: mrsmel; All

isn't there a problem with forging a FEDERAL document?

why wouldn't some federal agency attempt to look into this...

wait, since they were TANG forgeries, I guess it would be state government - so that would be the Attorney General of Texas?


447 posted on 09/13/2004 5:37:01 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: bitt

That's a good point,and I've seen it raised here by those who are more knowledgeable about it than I am. I can't believe that anyone would think that it would infringe on free speech to not let the media get away with breaking the law.


448 posted on 09/13/2004 5:38:48 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: dep

The easy way to override the auto-superscript is to use the lowercase "l".


449 posted on 09/13/2004 5:38:48 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Travis McGee

My next FAX to Andrew Heyward - President of CBS News - will be: Send Cap'n Dan to Florida to cover the hurricane. And pray that the storm gets him.


450 posted on 09/13/2004 5:40:41 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Radix
I apologize for the too quick post.

No problem. I have to admit that I saw a post on another thread of the Zappa song you referred to and that's what triggered me to come up with the "Pajama Song".
451 posted on 09/13/2004 5:43:14 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
When Rather trotted out his expert to claim " of course the technology existed " as proof the memos were legit, it demonstrated that to CBS and their advertisers, their target audience must be morons.

At this point, there is no possible way they can offer "proof" even if they prove it was possible. We have already proved it is also possible on WORD. So the doubt would be there even if they proved the unprovable. The signature is a photocopy.

452 posted on 09/13/2004 5:44:00 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; All

any Texans out there that would contact a buddy in the system to request an opinion from the Attorney General's office? RE: whether an attempt to forge a documemnt purportedly from the TANG would be a punishable offense? Or election fraud?

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinopen/opinhome.shtml

An Attorney General Opinion is a written interpretation of existing law. The Attorney General writes opinions as part of his responsibility to act as legal counsel for the State of Texas. Opinions are written only at the request of certain state officials, called "authorized requestors." The Texas Government Code indicates to whom the Attorney General may provide a legal opinion. He may not write legal opinions for private individuals or for any officials other than those specified by statute.
Attorney General Opinions clarify the meaning of existing laws. They do not address matters of fact, and they are neither legislative nor judicial in nature. That is to say, they cannot create new provisions in the law or correct unintended, undesirable effects of the law. Opinions interpret legal issues that are ambiguous, obscure, or otherwise unclear. Attorney General Opinions do not reflect the AG's opinion in the ordinary sense of expressing his personal views. Nor does he in any way "rule" on what the law should say.

Unless or until an opinion is modified or overruled by statute, judicial decision, or subsequent Attorney General Opinion, an Attorney General Opinion is presumed to correctly state the law. Accordingly, although an Attorney General Opinion is advisory, it carries the weight and force of law unless or until it is modified or overruled. Ultimate determination of a law's applicability, meaning or constitutionality is left to the courts. For this reason, the Attorney General generally does not write opinions on issues that are in pending litigation.

Who Can Request an Attorney General Opinion?
Sections 402.042 and 402.043 of the Government Code set out the state and local officials who are authorized to request formal Attorney General opinions on questions of law. The Attorney General is prohibited by statute from giving a written opinion to anyone other than an authorized requestor. Authorized requestors include:
the Governor
the head of a department of state government
the head or board of a penal institution
the head or board of an eleemosynary institution
the head of a state board
a regent or trustee of a state educational institution
a committee of a house of the Texas Legislature
a county auditor authorized by law
the chairman of the governing board of a river authority
The Attorney General shall also advise a district or county attorney in certain instances in which the State is interested and certain requirements are met. In addition, the Attorney General shall advise the proper authorities in regard to the issuance of bonds that by law require the Attorney General's approval.

A person other than an authorized requestor who wants to ask for an opinion should approach someone who is named in statute as an authorized requestor. In addition, a county or precinct official can request a written opinion or written legal advice from the district or county attorney, regarding the official's duties under the law.


453 posted on 09/13/2004 5:48:33 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: xlib

No I want them to prosecute for fraud or any other damn thing they can think of.


454 posted on 09/13/2004 5:49:29 PM PDT by No_Doll_i
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To: jackbill
Is that what that idiot said? I thought that's what I heard. Damn, I wish we could get a transcript.

your wish is my command. transcript.

salient portion:

RATHER: Richard Katz, a software designer found other indications in the documents. He noticed the lower case l is used in documents instead of the actual numeral one. That would be difficult to reproduce on the computer today.

KATZ: If you were doing this a week ago or a month ago on a normal laser jet printer, it wouldn't work. The font wouldn't be available to you.

455 posted on 09/13/2004 5:52:19 PM PDT by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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To: bitt

Well that is kind of an interesting point

all, with the possible exception of the first document, the order to show up and schedule a physical, aren't really "official goverment documents"

they are just what they say, memos, not ment to go any further then a file cabinet in the units orderly room, nothing really oficial there, just typed up notes basically


456 posted on 09/13/2004 5:52:40 PM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881 (If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS)
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To: Cboldt

Hiya CB

Isn't it illegal to forge government documents? Oh wait they don't have the originals so they have an out? I really don't get it... color me dense but if SeeBS can do this I guess anyone can pretty much say anthing and back it up with any damn thing and nothing will come of it.

Good to see ya!


457 posted on 09/13/2004 5:54:08 PM PDT by No_Doll_i
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To: Wild_Bill_8881

yeah, you're right, I just hate seeing someone get away with this...


remember the FReeper yesterday who kept writing fake memos about Kerry and Blather, and we all laughed so hard?

Maybe we could just keep creating millions of them and FAX them to CBS, a virtual blizzard of fake emos, and shut down their fax lines for a month...


458 posted on 09/13/2004 5:58:04 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: No_Doll_i
Isn't it illegal to forge government documents? ...

Some of the forgeries are just personal comments. One is a military order, but it has no effect (as in, nobody has to follow the order today, even if the document is authentic). In that light, I think the "forgery" angle evaporates.

color me dense but if SeeBS can do this I guess anyone can pretty much say anthing and back it up with any damn thing and nothing will come of it.

That pretty much sums up the state of reality. Except in this case, the forgery is so bad and the alleagations are so serious that CBS won't be able to duck the fallout. In contrast, AP's lie about "the crowd booed and Bush did nothing" will stand.

The media can, and does lie with impunity, most of the time. It is the exception to hear or read an accurate news story.

459 posted on 09/13/2004 6:03:23 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: xlib

hmm so interfering with a federal election via the public airwaves is fine with you... sheesh that is a bit scary don't ya think?

You can say whatever you want as a citizen but to put out false statements backed up by forged government documents and report it as news (not an opinion mind you) doesn't cross any lines with you?


460 posted on 09/13/2004 6:05:00 PM PDT by No_Doll_i
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