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CBS News Concludes It Was Misled on National Guard Memos, Network Officials Say
New York Times ^ | 9/20/04 | Jim Rutenberg

Posted on 09/19/2004 9:40:13 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: ladyinred

I am afraid this entire thing was a ploy to change the subject from the Swift Boat Vets to get the heat off Kerry. It took that story off the front burner.



But the swiftees aren't finished yet!


221 posted on 09/19/2004 10:38:12 PM PDT by Just Lori (CBS: Turn out the lights. The party's over.)
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To: plushaye
Sheesh! I went to see if the DUmmies were committing suicide over this yet, and found this!.....

Should the rest of the world unite to stop the U.S.A.

At what point should the rest of the world think seriously about forming its own coalition of the willing and stop the American war machine.

222 posted on 09/19/2004 10:38:16 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

That was one of the best SNL skits ever.


223 posted on 09/19/2004 10:38:59 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: scottybk

Cronkite ranked Jimmy Carter as the smartest president that he met. While he was polite enough to avoid direct criticism of Ronald Reagan, it was clear that he does not have a high opinion of Reagan's intellect. Cronkite claims he had a role in bringing about the peace agreement between Israel and Egypt.


General Weyand presented this speech at the GEORGE CATLETT MARSHALL MEMORIAL RECEPTION AND DINNER for the Association of the United States Army Convention, held in Washington, DC on October 18, 2000 GEORGE CATLETT MARSHALL MEMORIAL RECEPTION AND DINNER Association of the United States Army Convention

Washington, DC October 18, 2000

"After Tet, General Westmoreland sent Walter Cronkite out to interview me. I was in Command of the Forces in the South around Saigon and below and I was proud of what we'd done. We had done a good job there. So, Walter came down and he spent about an hour and a half interviewing me. And when we got done, he said, "well you've got a fine story. But I'm not going to use any of it because I've been up to Hue. I've seen the thousands of bodies up there in mass graves and I'm determined to do all in my power to bring this war to an end as soon as possible." It didn't seem to matter that those thousands of bodies were of South Vietnamese citizens who had been killed by the Hanoi soldiers and Walter wasn't alone in this because I think many in the media mirrored his view. It was a far different situation for me than when I was in Korea with my Battalion. I had a fellow named John Randolph who was an Associated Press Correspondent. He literally lived with our Battalion and he wrote about the men in a way that was good for them. It raised their morale. He never undercut their effort nor maligned the cause for which they fought. He became like one of them. He was awarded the Silver Star for Valor for helping them retrieve wounded and dead from the field of battle under fire. When I was in Paris at the Peace Talks, it was the most frustrating assignment I think I ever had. Sitting in that conference, week after week listening to the Hanoi negotiators, Le Duc Tho and his friends lecture us. Reading from the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Herald Tribune, the Atlanta Constitution, NBC, CBS, you name it. Their message was always the same. "Hey, read your newspapers, listen to your TV. The American people want you out of Vietnam. Now, why don't you just go ahead and get out?" So finally a Peace Agreement was signed that everyone knew would be violated and with no recourse or hope of enforcement on our part.


224 posted on 09/19/2004 10:39:48 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: LibWhacker

Mapes is history...

And if Blather has any sense of loyalty to SeeBS,
he would resign...


225 posted on 09/19/2004 10:40:04 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi Travis,http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Lancey Howard
Look for that unstable simpleton Burkett to take the fall for all of them.

From what I've read it may be that Burkett has brain damage and mental illness as a result of an attack of meningitis in 1998.

If anyone has evidence to the contrary, please explain.

I hope that we "mean-spirited" right wingers will not jump on the bandwagon when Dan and Mapes decide to bad-mouth the disabled Burkett.

226 posted on 09/19/2004 10:40:43 PM PDT by patriciaruth (Proud member of this bastion of right wing lunacy)
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To: Spanaway Lori
I am afraid this entire thing was a ploy to change the subject from the Swift Boat Vets to get the heat off Kerry. It took that story off the front burner.

Kerry keeps saying wonderful things about the UN and how he'd turn to them for help.
Now, the Oil for Food scandal is all over the news. LOL.

227 posted on 09/19/2004 10:40:58 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Diogenesis

Maybe Dan already knew 'Kenny'.

Everyone has always wondered what in the heck, "What's the frequency Kenneth?" meant...

Rather is certifiable.

228 posted on 09/19/2004 10:41:17 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Choose Ye This Day


229 posted on 09/19/2004 10:41:25 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Cuius rei demonstrationem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.)
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To: Stonedog

Those poor DUfuses posted the article an hour late and have 7 total comments on it.


230 posted on 09/19/2004 10:41:27 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: Stonedog

Look over there (DU) about 15 minutes ago---nothing on this. Tried to do a search but DU will not let you search unless you donate? Where can I sent my 2 cents?


231 posted on 09/19/2004 10:41:29 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: concerned about politics
Screw the DUmmies. Let's remember what's important in all this....

I'm Buckhead!

Be Seeing You,

Chris

232 posted on 09/19/2004 10:42:07 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: concerned about politics
Kerry keeps saying wonderful things about the UN and how he'd turn to them for help. Now, the Oil for Food scandal is all over the news. LOL.

Kerry IS the Born Loser.

233 posted on 09/19/2004 10:42:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: hobson

I noticed Jock Gill's name on that graphic- wasn't he involved with the SDS and the Chicago DNC convention riots many years ago?


234 posted on 09/19/2004 10:42:55 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: LibWhacker

bumpo


235 posted on 09/19/2004 10:43:52 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: LibWhacker
by the way, CONGRATULATIONS for getting this posted! A GREAT way to end the week-end, and I almost went to bed and missed it.

How foolish and bitter Dan Rather looks now, for insulting FOXNEws at the airport today, asking that local FOXNews reporter if he didn't feel duped by working for FOX. At some point in time, Rather and the other liberal FOXNews bashers will have to give it a rest.

236 posted on 09/19/2004 10:44:10 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@No Sympathy For Dan...Not A Drop.com)
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To: LibWhacker

I thought we could all find some amusement in a DUmmie quote or two regarding this story.


Mojambo (864 posts) Mon Sep-20-04 01:21 AM
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1. Here we go!



Get ready for the Cable Opinion channels to go ballistic and the real story behind Bush: TANG will never be told.

The only thing left to find out is whether the Rove media will successfully plant the idea of Kerry collaboration in the public's mind.

A shining moment for Rove.

"Behind every swaggering, macho, fake cowboy bully, there's a timid little prep school cheerleader. " - http://mojambo.blogspot.com/

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blackcat77 (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-20-04 01:24 AM
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2. Yep and that's why I think Rove is responsible.



This was the best of all worlds for them, which is why they were SOOOOOO anxious to distribute those documents so that the press could discover the obvious problems with the documents.

All they needed was one dupe to go public with them as authentic.

Now both the documents *and* what the documents said are politically radioactive.

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Ricdude (216 posts) Mon Sep-20-04 01:33 AM
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6. So email your friends a song...



...to inform them of the real story. Check out "Bringer of War (Bring It On)", available via my .sig. Enjoy.

No dinosaurs harmed to power this vehicle. Bush goes Techno: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/geedubbeemusic.htm

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Jonathan Little (599 posts) Mon Sep-20-04 01:25 AM
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3. I figured this was coming



There's something really strange going on with the "content is true, but the documents are fake" storyline. CBS and Dan Rather evidently put too much weight on the fact that Dan Bartlett didn't question the memos.

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Leilani (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-20-04 01:26 AM
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4. The worst part is, it will be the top story



& Kerry will again find it hard to get his message out.

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Erika (749 posts) Mon Sep-20-04 01:28 AM
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5. The Public Is Sick Of Vietnam/TANG debates



Many of my Republican and Democratic friends are sick and tired of these issues and consider them moot.In the last week both sides have said, can't we just move on to today's issues. Who cares what the cable news discuss. Only a minority watches them

All will admit that the privilged commonly found a way out of serving in Nam. Kerry chose to go. We've made a point.

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JohnnyCougar (136 posts) Mon Sep-20-04 01:36 AM
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7. What if this is a bluff?



To get the WH to condemn the memos even more before they release the originals? They haven't retracted it just yet.

I just find it so hard to believe that they would do this kind of report without the originals, or with out more hard evidence.

If there is nothing more to this story, CBS only has themselves to blame for the ensuing fiasco.


237 posted on 09/19/2004 10:44:25 PM PDT by Stonedog (Mr. Blather... tear down this STONEWALL!!)
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To: grey_whiskers

Excellent catch


238 posted on 09/19/2004 10:44:34 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Jewels1091

If that happens,we will all need CPR!!!!!


239 posted on 09/19/2004 10:45:42 PM PDT by copwife
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To: TruthWillWin
Here's an example of pure DUfus lunacy. I won't bother correcting the spelling. -there REALLY WERE documents saying what these did (in Killian's files) which is why the secretary vouched for the content. These actual docs (given to CBS) are retyped, slightly altered versions of the originals. I think Rove somehow got ahold of the originals or copies of them, recognized them as dangerous to Bush, and made the "forgeries" and slipped them via an intermediary to CBS. By making them less than perfect forgeries, he knew eventually they would be deemed such, and then the information in them would also be extremely suspect (even though the information is absolutely correct). Never doubt how clever and evil KKKarl is, folks. So now the media will be busy telling all of us that the momos by definition caontained pure lies, because the memos were "forgeries".
240 posted on 09/19/2004 10:46:06 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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