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Democrats and the Draft: Kerry Advocates Mandatory Service to Graduate from High School
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Posted on 09/28/2004 9:17:06 PM PDT by TommyC1

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To: AVNevis

Well here's the problem, young fellow...

A young person can't earn enough in two years to pay for four years of collage. For that matter a young person without an education can't earn enough to pay his room and board and medical each year to say nothing about a car, dates etc....


21 posted on 09/28/2004 9:43:33 PM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: sailor4321

Not if it can be done with just volunteers. If very needed more troops than we had, then I would support it. But that time is not now.


22 posted on 09/28/2004 9:44:02 PM PDT by AVNevis
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To: babygene
Sorry, you must have misunderstood my point. I actually was just commenting on the part about C.S. as a requierment for H.S. graduation.
23 posted on 09/28/2004 9:46:01 PM PDT by AVNevis
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To: AVNevis
Speaking as a High School freshman, I have absolutely no problem with this. It is not a draft, but community service. It seems that since the community has been paying for your education for so long, you ought to give something back. Plus it could teach kids to keep volunterring well into adulthood. However, this might be the only thing I actually agree with Kerry about. Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And besides, by election day he might have another position, or two, or three, or four

One of the freedoms in the US is to try to be the success that you want to be, what used to be called "you can do anything you want." The flip side of that is usually ignored - it is that you don't have to do what you don't want to do. The fewer things we are forced to do, the more free we are. This has been a silent bedrock in our society.

Wait till you find that your idea of "community service " is not acceptable to the school board because it is faith based, unisex, or somehow outside the new norms according to them. No matter how nice it sounds, the fewer requirements, the better. And the budget to pay for all this - from tax hikes on the folks that provide most jobs outside the government. And you can bet that the wastage in these programs will be substantial. How else are we going to find places for the otherwise unemployable nieces and brothers of the Democratic party functionaries?

24 posted on 09/28/2004 9:48:06 PM PDT by DmBarch
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To: TommyC1
Mandatory national service is nothing less than enslaving...

More like indentured servitude. But both are prohibited by the Constitution. Not that it matters to Democrats.

25 posted on 09/28/2004 9:48:07 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: TommyC1
As President, John Kerry will ensure that every high school student in America performs community service as a requirement for graduation.

Gee, I wonder what type of "community service" he's talking about. Free labor for useless lib'ral social programs? Naaaaah, couldn't be.

26 posted on 09/28/2004 9:49:49 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: AVNevis
I have to disagree with you. Unlike you, at one time I was subject to the draft and it certainly is slavery. (I wasn't called up, but I would have gone if I was. Even so, I define forced service as slavery nontheless.) We don't need the draft today(thank God) for military purposes because the professional Volunteer Armed Forces are far superior to a drafted force.
Drafting every high school student is a massive misallocation of the Nation's youth resource. I reiterate that it is slavery imposed by the government on a free people. This program, along with the other proposals, is a thinly disguised effort to channel young people's natural intellectual search at an impressionable age into government-approved and controlled thoughts ideas.
If you want to volunteer, go to it, but don't force others to do it if they don't want to. It is naive to think that "community service" is really valuable if it is forced.
27 posted on 09/28/2004 9:50:07 PM PDT by TommyC1
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To: Howlin
If that were true, it would be a definite step toward mature governance in the case of California.... :) However, I would find it hard to believe that he means to displace essential government services with "community service" teenagers. I think what he has in mind is more the indoctrination feared by the one freepers comment about "Hitler Youth".

What I object to is opposing the idea on the basis that having a obligation to your country is "slavery".

28 posted on 09/28/2004 9:50:11 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: AVNevis
What is the cost of sending 500,000 people through 4 years of college? Only counting books and tuition, I come out with a figure of approximately 9,000,000,000. Add in the additional bureaucratic hours required to administer this program (all union scale, btw) and that 9 billion figure takes a leap.

You do not yet have a tax burden hanging like a millstone around your neck. But you will and then you'll know why nobody here wants to add more give-aways and more bureaucratic layers, all at our expense.

And what of those who are not academically competitive? Do they just do the "community service" and get sent along to college anyway? If not, then isn't there going to be groaning about "discrimination"?

Of what, exactly, will this "community service" consist? What organizations will get the grants (more tax-payer expense, btw) and whose agenda will be served?

None of this has been clarified, none of it has been spelled out. Like all of kerry's proposals, it's short on detail.

29 posted on 09/28/2004 9:56:49 PM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: TommyC1

More about AmeriCorps:

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ED042497b.cfm

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/10/10/92042

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=831

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10504-2003Jul31.html


30 posted on 09/28/2004 9:59:01 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: AVNevis

Thank you. I happen to agree. And so, apparently, did about 80% of the armed services in WWII who were draftees as opposed to volunteers. I guess that's why that generation is called "greatest".


31 posted on 09/28/2004 9:59:23 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: Howlin

work a whole summer for $500 Kerrey wants slave labor!thats less than minumuim wage!


32 posted on 09/28/2004 10:00:03 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: garjog
"From Each According To His Abilities, To Each According To His Needs".

I wonder how sKerry would like it if we changed around Marx a little to make the first part read "From each according to his bank account, ..." I'm sure somebody with an old typewriter could fabricate a few documents in Karls name.

33 posted on 09/28/2004 10:02:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: KingNo155

He's sure not talking about THIS, is he?

Remember the hell on earth that broke out when somebody just suggested that maybe people who got welfare might be required to do a little community work?


34 posted on 09/28/2004 10:02:15 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: TommyC1
As President, John Kerry will ensure that every high school student in America performs community service as a requirement for graduation. This service will be a rite of passage for our nation’s youth and will help foster a lifetime of service.

Die Kerry-Jugend.

Unbelievable.

35 posted on 09/28/2004 10:02:51 PM PDT by Petronski (DEMS: Kim tested, Osama approved.)
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To: Bonaparte

It's short on details for a reason. If they spelled it out any further, they would show how right we are in thinking that it is a massive indoctrination program.

Just think of how it would really work and who would get the "training" positions.

Put on your tinfoil hat and think about this: At the flip of a switch, a well planned program like this, all nicely pre-funded and staffed nationwide, could be turned into an oppresive, all pervasive control mechanism by She Who Must Not Be Named.


36 posted on 09/28/2004 10:03:27 PM PDT by TommyC1
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To: Howlin

As you and I know Kerry speaks both from his mouth and ass at the same time!


37 posted on 09/28/2004 10:05:35 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: sailor4321
"...about 80% of the armed services in WWII..."

That was the era of the ground pounders. It's over.

38 posted on 09/28/2004 10:05:53 PM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: TommyC1

Oh, I can easily see this turning into a democratic party registration and gotv drive with underage slave labor paid for by you and me.


39 posted on 09/28/2004 10:07:58 PM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: TommyC1

Just like Americorps!


40 posted on 09/28/2004 10:09:17 PM PDT by sailor4321
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