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LIVE THREAD: Keyes vs. Obama on C-SPAN II, TONIGHT!
C-SPAN ^ | October 21, 2004 | EV

Posted on 10/21/2004 12:55:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: EternalVigilance
>>>>To be fair, Alan has not played up the fundamental tax reform issue.
He was asked a question, and he answered it.

That's the problem. Keyes is a principled man of conviction, but he won't get elected to any office with a policy agenda that doesn't take the views of mainstream Americans into consideration.

You support most of the Keyes agenda. I support a great deal of it. But that doesn't help in getting him elected in Illinois or most of the America.

Know what I mean?

341 posted on 10/21/2004 6:11:34 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man

Late to the party - does anyone know if this will re-air?


342 posted on 10/21/2004 6:14:20 PM PDT by cgk (Teresa Heinz Kerry: ``The Democratic machine in this country is putrid.'')
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To: lara
Too bad the IL GOP doesn't feel the same way

This will be a closer race than people think. Christian Democrats are uneasy about the moral direction taken by their party.

343 posted on 10/21/2004 6:14:27 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: Gelato

I have never heard the President support a national sales tax. Speaker Hastert wrote about it in his new book. I don't support it myself, but would support a flat percentage income tax rate for all workers. Dick Armey had a plan several years back that called for a flat 18% for all taxpayers.


344 posted on 10/21/2004 6:15:55 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: winodog

Everytime I knew Keyes was going to speak I have encouraged my kids to listen because he is the absolute best when it comes to articulating the Christian argument on key issues in a concise, kind, accurage way without being offensive or condeming. Anyone can learn better communication skills by listening to him. He really is incredible.


345 posted on 10/21/2004 6:16:16 PM PDT by HannaUSA (One American that is dang sick of the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Reagan Man

Okay I got CSPAN's site to load finally. It looks like it's reairing - for me - 10pm tonight. :)


346 posted on 10/21/2004 6:16:17 PM PDT by cgk (Teresa Heinz Kerry: ``The Democratic machine in this country is putrid.'')
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To: cgk

Replays:

On regular C-Span at 6:29am Eastern, I'm told...

C-SPAN II at 12:09am Eastern...


347 posted on 10/21/2004 6:17:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: cgk

They usually replay it later on tonight. Check out your local TV listings at ZapTV.


348 posted on 10/21/2004 6:18:48 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man

The Administration has broadly hinted at it coming to pass in the second term.

Probably the right move politically.

And I say that as a supporter of the NRST for over a decade.


349 posted on 10/21/2004 6:19:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: EternalVigilance
Good riddance to stinking garbage.

BTW, sorry I couldn't get the debate here in CA. Keyes is such a clear thinker. The great state of Illinois could benefet so much from his service.

350 posted on 10/21/2004 6:20:16 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: EternalVigilance
"There is no question who is most qualified to serve in the U.S. Senate. GO ALAN GO!

What a great debate! Go Alan Go! Keyes did not mix words with the 2nd and 17th amendments. He also gave an incredibly conclusive and coherent meaning of 'marriage.' His statement on black abortions should have brought tears to Obama's eyes, but it didn't happen.

I was particularly interested in hearing how Obama was going to spin the 17th. He clearly failed on the 2nd, and danced on the 17th. We don't need another socialist 'lawyer' in Washington. All he would bring with him would be more creative ways to 'uzurp' the Constitution. (Thank you, Mr. Keyes. :>)

351 posted on 10/21/2004 6:22:02 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: topdog1

"he can run, but he can't hide"


352 posted on 10/21/2004 6:23:12 PM PDT by edith (No profanity, no racism or violence in this post.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Indeed. The whole country could.

Not to be hyperbolic, but the whole world would benefit.

Dr. Keyes is brilliant foreign-policy-wise.


353 posted on 10/21/2004 6:24:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: EternalVigilance
Man, that was incredible. The defining moment for me was Alan's heartfelt expression of concern for the abortion holocaust affecting the black community. Alan exposed the horrific fact that 50% of black babies conceived are slaughtered by abortionists, and a tear welled up when he noted that the black community would virtually disappear in the coming century.

Obama responded by saying that the people that he speaks to want to hear about jobs, etc. He sounded absolutely cold, heartless and mercenary, which, in fact, he is.

The debate format was extremely effective. The debate moved briskly, but both candidates were able to present their arguments in the allotted time. The time flew by, but no additional time was necessary.

Alan expressed his positions clearly and precisely and landed body blow after body blow on both his opponent and the media. It was a thoroughly enjoyable experience.

In the interchange regarding faith, Alan exposed Obama as a poseur, and issued a compelling challenge to all Christians of good will, to cast a vote for morality or to cast a vote for ineffectual big government.

Bravo Alan. A+++

354 posted on 10/21/2004 6:24:40 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: stars & stripes forever; Jim Robinson; EternalVigilance; k2blader; All
Wouldn't it be great if this turned out like the "Tortoise and the Hare"? Obama's over confident, raising money for other candidates, while Keyes just steadily moves on & eventually ahead.
355 posted on 10/21/2004 6:24:59 PM PDT by lara
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To: Jim Robinson
Those who actually listen to what Keyes has to say will have something to think about.

Agreed. Sadly, that is far to small a population.

356 posted on 10/21/2004 6:26:25 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: lara

I should have said, "eventually wins".


357 posted on 10/21/2004 6:26:45 PM PDT by lara
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To: Jim Robinson
How about Supreme Court Justice? That's where he'd really shine.

Keyes would make an excellent SCOTUS justice. Absolutely!

Of course, the Senate Democrats would rather have their eyes poked out with red-hot irons than vote for him. LOL!

358 posted on 10/21/2004 6:30:43 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: lara
This is a lot more spirited debate than the last one. At least on Keyes part. Obama's boring. We'll know Keyes won when the media tells us that it was a draw.

Ouch! Don't kill my buzz 8-)

359 posted on 10/21/2004 6:33:49 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

Great comments/observations.

It did fly by, didn't it...

Time flies when you're having fun.......watching RAT 'rising stars' get smashed to little-bitty pieces. ;-)

The only thing Obama has to be thankful for tonight is that his base of support, aka the media, is intact.

Oh, and that he was able to keep his facial tic in check...


360 posted on 10/21/2004 6:35:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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