Bush Breaks First Campaign Pledge By Renewing Call For Illegal Alien Amnesty

FAIR ^ | November 10, 2004 | Dan Stein

[John Lenin]

Less skilled workers get far below minimum, as little as $2 and hour

BS

[expatpat]

If they are working under the table, then they are officialy not employed and must return to Mexico. Of course, enforcement is the key.

[mudblood]

"At what cost"

In the first debate, Kerry said he would have given nuclear fuel to Iran to see if they were going to use it in a peaceful manner - to test them. Totally insain. Bush wants to make it easier for illegals to contribute to our society legally. Arguably problematic. I'll choose the latter every time.

[dead]

This decision comes from higher up than US presidents.

God? Or?

I believe the current theory is David Rockefeller.

[dangus]

Yes, there was a guy who was liberal on abortion involved in the founding of FAIR! OooOOOooh. Why don't you talk about the present head of FAIR, Dan Stein. The guy who matters. What? Your're left-wing attack dogs don't have anything on him?

Your style of discrediting FAIR is straight out of the James Carville play book. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I have never had any real problems with illegal aliens, and at the risk of being ridiculed I think that Bush is actualy on to something here

Oh man, we are in so much trouble.....This is truly never never land....

[dangus]

When criticizing your employer who pays you a tiny fraction of the going wage can get you exiled, you are a slave.

[Howlin]

You're quite the drama queen, aren't you?

[dangus]

>Don't look now, but it is already there.<

Yes, and the last amnesty helped it grow by leaps and bounds.

[raybbr]

Childish

[RightWinger]

It's not about losing jobs, it's about legal citizens having to shell out money to support illegal aliens.

This lifeboat can't keep taking on unlimited passengers before it tips over and sinks.

[Dat Mon]

"Of course, enforcement is the key."

BINGO. Thats my point. Without a rational, well thought out approach to these issues, we merely solve one set of problems only to create another set.

Enforcement is the elephant in the living room for EVERY immigration issue.

This is why the approach needs to be part of an approach which limits the problem at the source...ie...the border itself.

And the final piece of the puzzle is the penalties imposed on American companies who violate the law. What penalties are prescribed in the various guest worker plans...Bushs and Tancredo's, for example.

[Howlin]

Thanks for admitting it.

[Southack]

"The ones that don't punish the lawbreakers under the laws that they broke. A simple, measly one-time fee to be paid by the lawbreaking employer is not the penalty for being a lawbreaking illegal alien or for being a lawbreaking employer of an illegal alien. It is hardly a penalty, it is more like an administrative fee or a bribe."

That's such poor logic; you're grasping.

If you pay a fee or a fine, you've been punished. That's a far cry from "amnesty" (which means "no punishment").

They also have to register with our government. That's a heckofa lot better than having them remain here anonymously.

[fetts]

How is that different from employers today who may be dissatisfied with their illegal employees? They could report the employee to the INS and (provided the INS cares or has the resources), the employee is deported because he is here illegally. Does that mean they are slaves now also?

I can't figure what you mean.

[scripter]

I've read Bush's plan (perhaps from the whitehouse website - can't remember) and it didn't mention amnesty. It mentioned those who had jobs and nothing longer than 2 or 3 years. If he said something else then I'd like to see it.

[ACDSWIZ]

Well why don't you just fill us in on what is not true here. It seems word for word with what Bush proposed in his first year until 9/11 forced him to withdraw his guest worker/amnesty. Redefining illegality does not make it right. Who believes that after three years in the US and with the anchor babies that will surely result that anyone will be returning to Mexico or anywhere else. Or is supporting Bush all you care about?

[Howlin]

They also have to register with our government.

It seems to me if they have to register, then the ones who aren't in the database, i.e., unregistered, would be the ones that would be deported immediately, right?