Posted on 11/10/2004 12:51:19 PM PST by VU4G10
The problem with any "period-of-time" is that you know full well that Vicente Fox and his fellow elites would scream if they believed these people would ever return to their homeland. Fox isn't satisfied that one out of five of the citizens of Mexico are living here now --- he fully intends to get a whole lot more out. Nothing is changing or improving in Mexico -- and the crime there is skyrocketing out of control --- something else Fox chooses to ignore.
"It cost about $7,500 per head to school a kid in California. Care to guess the average number of kids in an illegal's family, then multiply by that number."
I used to work on an account for a company, transcribing medical records for a hospital in Southern California. I typed many, many reports on illegals who received very expensive medical care at taxpayer expense. One example really stands out in my mind: The illegal woman was 25 years old and was in the hospital having her 10th baby. She had never been married and had come across the border with her parents when she was 14. She popped the first baby out at 15 and had been popping one out at an average of every 2 years for 10 years. You will note that she was only 25 when she had her 10th baby, so she had many years of childbearing ahead of her. Guess how she made her living? That's right...off her babies - AFDC, Section 8 housing, food stamps, etc.
Let's see....10 x $7,500 = $75,000 per year just to educate her kids - not counting entitlement programs. Real bargain for the taxpayers, wasn't she?
Wow, you really are vile.
Its a serious issue and Bush's approach is exactly the opposite of the one dictated by common sense.
Protease Inhibitors?
No, I don't take them. Do you?
Your ignorance is astounding.
Houses in California built by illegals are not cheaper than houses in Montana which are built by Americans.
Another strange thing about houses --- my dad's first house --- brand new when he bought it in the 50's for $14,000 now sells for well over $100,000.
Seems like crapping on 80% of Americans so soon after the election is a dumb move. Just might make him look like he doesn't have the support he thought he did when he tries for other issues like tax reform SS reform etc.
Evidently you missed the memo. Bush has now reached the level of a deity for most on FR. His word and judgement cannot be criticized or questioned.
Otherwise you're just a lefty.
Just truthful - unlike you.
Either he is insane or he is bribed or blackmailed. Look at all our soldiers dying in Iraq while the borders remaind unprotected to let in terrorists and other criminals. Our greatest threat comes form these illegal aliens and open borders.
"what's your solution now? Round them up and send them back first?"
There is no solution that can be applied now to an already large problem that will not raise loud objections from somebody.
The most efficient way is to start NOW with ENFORCEMENT by making both the employers and the workers pay a penalty for skirting the current law.
You have to make the penalties for hiring of illegals severe. And you have to have random audits and inspections of EMPLOYERS, conducted by teams of enforcement agents. This will cost money, employers will hate it. Illegal workers groups, and Mexico will protest.
Im talking severe penalties, such that a mid-large company would not want to take a risk. Still, you may not get to the illegals working for small outfits.
For an illegal, the penalty is that anyone who is caught in this country illegally is deported immediately, and is forever barred from entering legally later in a guest worker program. This is enforced by means of fingerprints and photo ID, which is entered into a database.
If this sounds draconian, try getting a top secret clearance to work on a military program. All illegals who are caught should be fingerprinted, and photographed before deportation.
Require that people at hospitals WITHOUT INSURANCE who do not speak or understand English present valid proof of citzenship or visa status at time of treatment. If they do not have proof, they are treated, then released to LEO /immigration for deportation, same rules apply. Of course, some will get fraudulent papers on the black market. Hospitals will protest, so federal funds will have to be provided to hospitals to hire additional staff to enforce the laws. Some municipalities will not want to comply.
Hopefully, the result of these actions is that many illegals will voluntarily leave this country if they can, and start the legal process to register.
Now we get to enforcement at the borders, to insure that these people cannot slip back in later. This is where technology that we currently have is deployed efficiently.
All the steps the feds take must be broadcast loud and clear to the Hispanic community, and to the Mexican government.
Everything above is to START.
With the above in place, then you can start to implement a guest worker program. Otherwise, its the cart before the horse.
"We will soon have a low-skill labor force that is subsidized by the income taxpayer. So much for wages being part of "supply and demand".
Where will this end?"
It will end when there is no longer a middle class and when there are enough third-world residents to dilute the voice and the vote of the native-born American citizens - to "keep us in line" so to speak. Otherwise, we might object to the politicians' globalist agenda and they certainly can't have that.
Which isn't really a far cry from blue, then green, then citizenship.
Kerry's proposal, btw, wasn't for all illegal aliens, he would have required tax receipts for at least five years. At least, that's what he promised.
Damn straight. Is that Big mac cheaper in Olathe Kansas because of Illegal labor, (hint...NO)
When not one of your janitors can speak a word of English and they're all "contract" labor who will work for $5 an hour with no overtime, workman's comp, --- then you can make a pretty good guess they're all illegals. Contract labor is one of the biggest scams going --- replace your employees who fall under the labor laws with contract labor and you can get around all the labor laws and taxes --- but Americans tend not to like to collect government handouts when they're working 40-50 hours a week --- so you have to find Mexicans who do.
Wondering the same thing you were.
That's his compassionate conservative. He's going to improve the lot of every Mexican he can find at the expense of every American taxpayer. Very socialist.
True, the Mexican Media, and the Coyotes, will do that for him.
"Did your daddy work in a mill?"
Huh, that would've been an easy occupation...he finished concrete for a living. You got something against people making a living with their hands? Or is it only that you object to people actually being PAID to work with their hands? Jerk!
Thank you for taking the time to formulate a coherent reply to a question I've asked before and never gotten a clear answer to.
And quite frankly, it's a plan I can agree with almost to the word. And it's the FAIREST plan......and I do mean to the rest of us out here who are obeying the law.
The problem, of course, is you know who.......the Congress.
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