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Who Were the Greatest Military Commanders (Of All Time) ?

Posted on 11/14/2004 5:23:06 PM PST by Cyropaedia

In light of the upcoming film Alexander (the Great), who in your opinion were actually the greatest military commanders our world has known...?

Mine are Genghis Khan, Alexander, and U.S. Grant.


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To: Cyropaedia

Depends on the level of operations. Do you mean strategic, operational, tactical or squad.

Strategic: Lee, Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Guderian, Tamberlane, G. Washington.

Operational: Stonewall Jackson, Grant, Longstreet, Meade, Rommel, Wellington, Alexander T. G., Sherman, Alexis Commenus, Patton, Zukov(the Russian General) Joe Johnston, Beuregard. Gandalf

Tactical: Early, Handcock, Cleburne, Gustav Adolphos, Nappy's Marshals MacDonald, Ney, and Murat, Stuart, Forrest, Wheeler, Sheridan, G. Washington, Hood.

Squad Level, General Han Solo, Sgt Stryker, Lt. Stahler(Squad Leader people will know) Rommel (read his book).

Ok thats my opinion. There are too many to narrow down any further.


241 posted on 11/14/2004 6:24:36 PM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Cyropaedia

Admiral Horatio Hornblower and John Wayne.


242 posted on 11/14/2004 6:25:06 PM PST by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: Cyropaedia

Lest we forget...Pancho Villa, the first to attack the Continental United States and get away with it. Also, Hernan Cortez and his brilliant tactical moves against overwhelming odds. And, talking about sheer courage, Cortez and his men had just been driven from Tenochtitlan and were facing certain death. As they sat there surrounded by the Aztec army which had driven them from the city, Cortez by himself jumped up and mounted his horse, rode through the enemy lines and killed the Aztec commander. The Aztecs fled, leaving Cortez and his remaining men to survive, lick their wounds, regroup and return some five months later to take the city.


243 posted on 11/14/2004 6:26:06 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Longstreet and Jackson; Hannibal


244 posted on 11/14/2004 6:26:09 PM PST by ChildofReagan (Deus Vult)
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To: Polybius
If the year were 1862 and, for the sake of theoretical argument, U.S. Grant commanded the Army of Northern Virginia with any Union General of your choice as a Corps commander and Robert E. Lee commanded the Army of the Potomac with Stonewall Jackson as one of his Corps commanders, how long would the Civil War have lasted?

About as long as it did. Both Lee and Grant were outstanding military minds. Both did what they needed to do with the objectives they were assigned, and the men and materials they had available. Grant had the decided DISadvantage of having to fight an offensive war against entrenched forces, which usually resulted in a loss ratio of at least 2-1. One of the reasons Grant attacked the way he did was because he knew he could. There were men there to do it. Lee remained in trenches and fought because that's what his men did best. Neither of Lee's major offensive excursions into the north were ringing successes. He ran into the same problem Grant did, namely "how do you drive men out of trenches when they are defending their homes?".

I'd have to rate Lee as one of, if not THE best defensive general we've ever had. Grant would rank with Patton in my mind as one of the best offensive (read: attacking) generals in our history. To sell either Grant or Lee short based on what the other did is to rely on far too much presupposition. Had either had the other's position and resourses, no doubt their tactics would have changed, and they probably would've ended up mirroring one another.

Anyway, that war's over (sorry, "Southrons"). It's a shame Lee and Grant had to face one another instead of work together.

245 posted on 11/14/2004 6:26:14 PM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: igoramus987

> John F. Kerry = Best tactical retreat strategist

Mais non, hee eez a deestant second... Les francais ont surrendre a beaucoup de pais! Recentment:
* Nous surrendre a Hitler!
* Nous surrendre au Soviet Union dureeeng le "Cold War"
* Nous surrendre a Islamofascism!

Le Kerry a seulement surrendre a North Vietnam, The Soviet Union, et l'Islamofascism... pas jamais Hitler! Les Francais sont premier du monde!


246 posted on 11/14/2004 6:26:37 PM PST by EaglesUpForever
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To: Cyropaedia

Chaka.


247 posted on 11/14/2004 6:27:40 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: wagglebee

Yeah, and IF frogs HAD wings their asses wouldn't hit the ground when they jump. Lee was an outstanding general in terms of strategic planning, but a so-so commander. He might have done better if he and his lieutenants not bought into all of the hype about how great and undefeatable they were.


248 posted on 11/14/2004 6:27:41 PM PST by RJS1950 (The rats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Defiant
Good reasoning but we can never really know can we?

Alexander had certain tactical elements on his side as well.

"Philips Phalanx" was superior to the Greek Phalanx. We don't say that Thebes and Athens could have stood against Macedonia if they had adopted King Philips tactics.

Interesting post.

Arioch7 out.

249 posted on 11/14/2004 6:28:21 PM PST by Arioch7
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To: Strategerist
Agree with you about the civil war generals being rated highly because of our familiarity with them. That's why I gave them honorable mentions, but they are not to be listed in the all time historical greats.
250 posted on 11/14/2004 6:29:35 PM PST by Defiant (Democrats: Don't go away mad, just go away.)
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To: Cyropaedia
Wellington

Nathan Bradford Forrest

251 posted on 11/14/2004 6:29:51 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: Cyropaedia

Jackson, Grant, Lee, Forrest, Alexander, Scott, Rommel, Napoleon, Scipio Africanus, Duke of Wellington, Hannibal


252 posted on 11/14/2004 6:30:49 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: NorCalRepub; All

Hey, how about Captain Bligh? Sailing all that way back? Or it that just a myth?


253 posted on 11/14/2004 6:31:38 PM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: maro; asgardshill
What about Napoleon?

Most overrated general of all time. His rep stands on a few early victories based on reckless charging of the enemy (The same tactics John Kerry used in the 'nam). Impresses the yokels, but nobody talks about Napoleon's non stratergy losing the big ones: Egypt, Spain, Russia, and a little scrap in Belgium.

As Wellington said as another French charge broke on his carefully prepared defences at Waterloo. "dem me. The man's just a plodder after all"

His problem he was French and Wellington was English.

French tactics were the mass column charge smashing into and breaking the enemy. all very la gloire, but it only worked if the enemy was trained to co-operate.

As Marshal Soult observed after he lost the battle of Talaverna. "I had always thought the English were bad soldiers. Now I am certain. I had overwhelmed their centre, everywhere on the field victory was mine. But they did not know how to run away".

And that was the key how Wellington, who saw war as a profession, defeated the man who was fighting for la glorie: Don't run away. Prepare defences, stand the charge until you see the whites of their eyes, two volleys break the charging column, use the bayonet on the survivors.

This was England's greatest son
He that gained a thousand fights,
Now never lost an English gin
Lord Tennyson Ode on the Death of the Duke of Wellington

254 posted on 11/14/2004 6:31:52 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The true character of liberty is independence, maintained by force". - Voltaire)
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To: RJS1950

I think the "Lee legend" was created by those around him. Lee had too much humility to make any such claims and I doubt you could find any evidence of him ever making such claims.


255 posted on 11/14/2004 6:32:02 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only think Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: Conan the Librarian

GANDALF? GANDALF? Who the hell is that?

You shall not PASS!!!!!!!!

Got to agree really, but THAT Gandalf isn't actually, well, you know, a real person.


256 posted on 11/14/2004 6:32:30 PM PST by Burr5
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To: wagglebee

Becuase I'm from Maine and I can't resist...
Joshua Chamberlain.

And I know I'll get crap for this one, but what the hell...
Benedict Arnold (before he became a traitor)

And a man who deserves the MOH...Richard Winters.


257 posted on 11/14/2004 6:32:47 PM PST by matymac (The NEA = Neo Elitist A*sholes)
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To: Cyropaedia

Don't leave out Irwin Rommel who was not only a brilliant tactical commander but uncommonly courageous and a gentleman as well.

Certainly Patton and Thomas Jackson. And yes, God, the most able of all!:)

Certainly I am not an authority. But these stand out as extremely able commanders in my reading.

A few of the Indian leaders were also tacticians--Oceola, Chief Joseph, Geronimo?


258 posted on 11/14/2004 6:34:01 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Either you are an American or you are a Liberal.)
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To: Phsstpok
There are racists and there are racists. Forrest was an ugly racist of the first order. He was also a brilliant millitary tactician. The two are not mutually exclusive.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Here is Forrest in a speech to an organization of Southern blacks in 1875, 10 years after the end of the war. This speech is rather advanced thinking for 1875. It was published in the Memphis Avalanche paper. It's real. You really aren't a student of Forrest based on your statements.

"Nathan Bedford Forrest was invited to speak by the Jubilee of Pole Bearers, a political and social organization in the post-war era comprised of Black Southerners. Miss Lou Lewis was introduced to General Forrest then presented him with a bouquet of flowers and said: 'Mr. Forrest - allow me to present you this bouquet as a token, of reconciliation, an offering of peace and good will.' "General Forrest received the flower with a bow, and replied: To the General Forrest Tribute Website 'Miss Lewis, ladies and gentlemen - I accept these flowers as a token of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the South. I accept them more particularly, since they come from a lady, for if there is any one on God’s great earth who loves the ladies, it is myself. This is a proud day for me. Having occupied the position I have for thirteen years, and being misunderstood by the colored race, I take this occasion to say that I am your friend. I am here as the representative of the Southern people - one that has been more maligned than any other. I assure you that every man who was in the Confederate army is your friend. We were born on same soil, breathe the same air, live in the same land, and why should we not be brothers and sisters. When the war broke out I believed it to be my duty to fight for my country, and I did so. I came here with the jeers and sneers of a few white people, who did not think it right. I think it is right, and will do all I can to bring about harmony, peace and unity. I want to elevate every man, and to see you take your places in your shops, stores and but I want you to do as I do - go to the polls and select the best men to vote for. I feel that you are free men, I am a free man, and we can do as we please. I came here as a friend and whenever I can serve any of you I will do so. We have one Union, one flag, one country; therefore, let us stand together. Although we differ in color, we should not differ in sentiment. Many things have been said in regard to myself, and many reports circulated, which may perhaps be believed by some of you, but there are many around me who can contradict them. I have been many times in the heat of battle - oftener, perhaps, than any within the sound of my voice. Men have come to me to ask for quarter, both black and white, and I have shielded them. Do your duty as citizens, and if any are oppressed, I will be your friend. I thank you for the flowers, and assure you that I am with you in heart and hand.'"
259 posted on 11/14/2004 6:34:48 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Malleus Dei
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Sherman, on the other hand, was a proto-Patton.
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Agreed, Sherman and similarly, Sheraton, were objective oriented, efficiently, effectively and blindly enforcing policy. If one studies and considers their actions and statements during the "Indian Wars", as individuals the become less appealing, but one cannot help but admire their dedication and sense of duty.
260 posted on 11/14/2004 6:34:50 PM PST by MagnumRancid (I cut it three times......It's still too short!)
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