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Any Update On the 11/1/04 Article About Kerry's Questionable Discharge?
various | 11/28/04 | ColleyvilleMarty

Posted on 11/28/2004 1:55:31 PM PST by ColleyvilleMarty

On 11/1/04, the day before the election, Thomas Lipscomb, published in _The New York Sun_ and article entitled, "Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by An Ex-JAG Officer. The article is available at the Sun site after sign-up but appears to be quoted in full at "www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=4477170" in a message posted by "dieselfuel" on 11/04/04.

Libscomb, who appears to have published several articles regarding Kerry's discharge and failure to release military records (SF-180), cites in his 11/1/04 article, a retired Navy JAG Captain, Mark Sullivan, regarding Kerry's missing honoarable discharge certificate.

Lipscomb also cites "a member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee" who recalled that Kerry was not admitted [to Harvard Law School] because he "had received a less than honorable discharge [and] were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar." Kerry actually attended Boston College Law School.

There is no question that Kerry has refused to make his military records public (as has President Bush!) because they cover some secret, some secret so terrible that it made him think the lessor damage was done by lying about his whole background through the campaign and up to taday.

One blogger has suggested that Kerry could not have been discharged under other than honorable conditions because then, he could not have been admitted to the Mass. State Bar as being cashiered is a felony. In fact, maybe this is the secret that Kerry is concealing, that he lied on his application to the Mass. Bar Association.

The issue of Kerry's discharge from the USNR and whether it was under less than honorable conditions must not be allowed to die. And, perhaps after only the CBS use of forged documents, represents the most blatant example of media bias in the recent election. The media, other than Lipscomb's late efforts, has refused to examine this issue and why Kerry continues to hide part of his past, especially after having made such a big deal about 5 months of it.


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KEYWORDS: candidate; dishonorable; election; fauxmedals; ichabodcrane; immoral; kerry; kerrydischarge; lurch; navy; nowarhero; riceinthebutt; selfinflictedwounds; unethical
Lipscomb's 11/1/04 article was discussed on several blogs, e.g., The American Thinker, Captain's Quarters and The Truth Laid Bear, but the issue seems to have now died. THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN! We must continue to search for what Kerry is hiding and why.

At the moment, Thomas Lipscomb at _The New York Sun_ and Jerome Corsi, co-author of _Unfit For Command_, appear to be the ones out front on the issue. Are there any others leading this noble charge? Have there been any more recent stories in the main stream media about Kerry's reasons for hiding his military records?

1 posted on 11/28/2004 1:55:32 PM PST by ColleyvilleMarty
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

Hmmm....Kerry? Didn't he run for president?


2 posted on 11/28/2004 1:58:20 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

discarge?

yes it was puss from a bad botox injection


3 posted on 11/28/2004 1:59:24 PM PST by al baby (she stuned my little beeber)
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To: al baby

discharge must review sorry


4 posted on 11/28/2004 2:00:39 PM PST by al baby (she stuned my little beeber)
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

Hopefully Corsi will run against Kerry for the Senate, as he has alluded to. I believe that Corsi would make this an issue and we would find out what actually happened,even though we pretty much know what transpired. But by bringing this into the open it would spell the end to Kerry as a politician.


5 posted on 11/28/2004 2:02:44 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

"There is no question that Kerry has refused to make his military records public (as has President Bush!)"

I don't believe this is true. As I understand and am willing to be _Proven Wrong_---

President Bush HAS made all records available by signing form 108. There are claims that some docs are missing because some folk want there to be something that diminishes his service. These docs simply do not exist and puts President Bush in the unenvyable and impossible position of having to prove a negative!


6 posted on 11/28/2004 2:04:34 PM PST by lawdude (Leftists see what they believe. Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

One retired US Secretary of Navy (forgot his name, but it's not either Lehman or Warner) said that Kerry received an honorable discharge. But he doesn't have any documents backing it up. So it won't go anywhere.


7 posted on 11/28/2004 2:04:54 PM PST by Nataku X (Lord, please guide President Bush, and please protect our soldiers in Fallujah.)
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To: lawdude

Bush did not sign the 180, but he did make a verbal EO to release all forms.


8 posted on 11/28/2004 2:05:31 PM PST by Nataku X (Lord, please guide President Bush, and please protect our soldiers in Fallujah.)
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

I think it would still be explosive to find out this was true because we could then use it to show how the media AGAIN ignored Kerry's record and yet went after Bush for false reports.


9 posted on 11/28/2004 2:05:43 PM PST by Mr. K ((this space for rent))
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

You get a DD214 every time you are discharged. The one Kerry showed on the web site had a V for valor on the silver star, which is not awarded. The silver star is always for valor. It is a good bet the DD214 he is displaying is a forgery.

It should be easy to obtain any DD214 he was issued under the freedom of information act. To falsify an award or to claim an honorable discharge when it is less than honorable is a serious "faux paus" to use the French term that Kerry, the French looking candidate, would be more comfortable with.


10 posted on 11/28/2004 2:13:29 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: Mr. K

I believe it is more of a case that some in the media DO know what is in Kerry's record. That's why we won't hear of it through conventional means.

It's not what they print, it's what is purposely omitted that is the real story.


11 posted on 11/28/2004 2:15:58 PM PST by digger48
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To: digger48
It's not what they print, it's what is purposely omitted that is the real story.

Yes, you nailed it, absolutely true. A good friend of mine pointed out to me that in the old Soviet Union, most people tried to figure out what was really going on by deducing what was *not* said. I started using the same technique for the Legacy Media, and for many subjects, it works quite well.

12 posted on 11/28/2004 2:22:59 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Hey you guys, here's a little tip:

The election is over.

We won.

Get a life.


13 posted on 11/28/2004 2:26:26 PM PST by jraven
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To: proxy_user

Yes, I think he did run for president or something...and the nice man with the beard in the Denny's parking lot I just bought this unregistered AK-47 from said Mr. Kerry's cousin sold it to him after thoroughly testing it in Vietnam, in a theatrical production entitled "Purple Hearts for Sale," or something similar.


14 posted on 11/28/2004 2:30:15 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("The right of the People to be Muttly shall not be infringed,")
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

> the issue seems to have now died. THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN!

What say we get Dan Rather on the story?


15 posted on 11/28/2004 2:31:10 PM PST by Paul_B
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To: jraven

The question is still relevant and will remain so as long as there is a history of the United States. Anyone who chooses to run for president of the US has made themselves a public figure and as such are subject to scrutiny and questions. Just because that person lost a race doesn't mean they can opt out of history. Our media has failed us miserably by not asking the question of why the six year gap between his completion of service and his discharge. If some newsie wanted to make a real name for themselves they would pursue this. Seems the security on military personnel records is superior to the CIA and FBI doesn't it? Otherwise someone would have leaked this by now. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.


16 posted on 11/28/2004 2:37:23 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

Is it possible that Kerry's questionable discharge, is due to a STD?


17 posted on 11/28/2004 2:39:44 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you were still in the womb, would you trust your life to Specter?????)
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To: digger48
I agree. I always thought that that was why so many of them went crazy at the mention of the Swiftvets. they knew it was true.
18 posted on 11/28/2004 2:42:24 PM PST by tazannie
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To: jraven
Totally, but respectfully disagree!!

Until Kerry is fully exposed for the intellectual and moral charlatan that he is, I submit that he should be spared NO quarter.

It is Kerry who has ungraciously kept the pot boiling. I say: Keel-haul the bum, through sustained, close scrutiny!
19 posted on 11/28/2004 2:47:00 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

Maybe Dan Rather will investigate this for a 60 Minutes story?


20 posted on 11/28/2004 3:22:46 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: jraven

Normally I'd totally agree, but Kerry seems to want to be a thorn in Bush's side for the next four years. Had he been a gracious, gentlemanly loser, no problem. I'd even respect that. But he wants to wallow in the insane bizarro-leftist freak world of people like Michael Moore. I say finish him off.


21 posted on 11/28/2004 3:24:09 PM PST by boop (Testing the tagline feature!)
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To: jraven
You miss the points. Kerry is still in the US Senate, which is an elective position. And, the MSM is still covering for, rather than properly investigating, most national Democrats, not just Kerry.

So for both reasons, the issue of Kerry's original discharge should be pursued to a genuine conclusion, and not just die on the vine because the presidential election is over. Following your logic, we should drop the pursuit of Dan Rather because the election in which he demonstrated his dishonesty, is over.

Congressman Billybob

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22 posted on 11/28/2004 3:30:30 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: shubi

"V for valor on the silver star, which is not awarded"
I would agree with you but I went through the separation process and my DD214 was typed up by a civilian clerk who knew little if anything about awards and more particularly their parameters. My clerk wanted to record a "Sea Sevice Deployment" ribbon though my deployments predated the ribbon's establishment. The individual also wanted to record an "E" ribbon though my service on that ship predated the ribbon's establishment. So, unless JFKerry was pumping his separation clerk to include the "V", I credit it to lack of knowledge on the part of the clerk. The clerk's name is on the form and should some want to check they might be able. Best hurry though as I suspect the individual is well into old age. So what do you call a document which contains false information but was produced by appropriate authority?


24 posted on 11/28/2004 3:34:46 PM PST by Whispering Smith
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To: taxesareforever
But by bringing this into the open it would spell the end to Kerry as a politician.

Mass voters continue to reelect a drunken murderer to the Senate. They will also continue to reelect a traitor.

25 posted on 11/28/2004 3:38:59 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

Kerry repeatedly raised the subject of his heroism in Vietnam, and he is still an active politician in the Senate. Questions about his military service deserve to be answered by a full release of his records.

Also, those who served, died, were wounded, or came home from Vietnam only to be treated as criminals instead of heroes deserve to have their stolen honor restored. The matter should not be dropped just because kerry, one of those most responsible for villainizing our troops, lost the race.

Also, what about the POW/MIAs who were probably murdered by the North Vietnamese Communists because kerry misused his position on the Senate committee that was supposed to investigate their plight, and instead decided to cover it up? The man who did this deserves to be scorned and punished for his despicable behavior.


26 posted on 11/28/2004 3:54:13 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: Graybeard58

There is hope. They did elect a Republican governor.


27 posted on 11/28/2004 4:01:29 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: shubi

Okay - somebody has to ask. Has anybody ever checked the font on the discharge that was posted on the John Kerry website? Just to "trust but verify"?


28 posted on 11/28/2004 4:05:24 PM PST by Bernard (Caution Ahead - Road being Paved with Good Intentions)
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To: pepperdog
If some newsie wanted to make a real name for themselves they would pursue this.

A PeeUUlitzer is waiting for any newsie with the cajones to persue this one.

29 posted on 11/28/2004 4:06:09 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Would that be before or after he helps OJ find the "real" killer(s)?


30 posted on 11/28/2004 4:17:57 PM PST by Conservative Infidel
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To: Whispering Smith

I call it John Kerry should know better, because he was an officer, an officer that knew the rules well enough to use three dubious Purple Hearts to skip out on his buddies.

Kerry is a traitor. He is a slick traitor.


31 posted on 11/28/2004 4:35:22 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: Bernard

Good idea. I have a feeling his DD 214 was typed years after his dishonorable discharge. The DD 214 has the type of discharge, too.

You know, Kerry has 3 sets of citations for his Silver Star. One was done many years later with the wording changed so it wouldn't look like he shot a wounded unarmed enemy in the back.

So if Kerry was dishonorably discharged the first DD214 must exist somewhere and he had to have one the day he got out.


32 posted on 11/28/2004 4:39:13 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

People with questionable discharges need to go see the doctor ASAP...


33 posted on 11/28/2004 4:40:56 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: ColleyvilleMarty

Let's hope the Swiftvets continue with this.Skerry needs to be exposed for the fraud that he is. I'm confidant that many people here at FR would donate once agian if the Swifties were to do this.


34 posted on 11/28/2004 4:59:01 PM PST by conshack
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To: Whispering Smith
So what do you call a document which contains false information but was produced by appropriate authority?

Er..."wrong"?

35 posted on 11/28/2004 4:59:47 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: Nakatu X
One retired US Secretary of Navy (forgot his name, but it's not either Lehman or Warner) said that Kerry received an honorable discharge. But he doesn't have any documents backing it up. So it won't go anywhere

He DID receive an Honorable, under Lehman's signature (in 1985?), however Lehman claims knew nothing about it. He specultate theat it could have been signed by a "signature machine" sometimes used to produce an "official signature" without burdening the principal from signing a million pieces of paper.

However, that still doesn't explain the unusually late date, and the preceding documentation referring "findings of a review board".

36 posted on 11/28/2004 6:22:00 PM PST by Socrates1 (Orwell was right - He just got the date wrong)
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