Eye of the Storm: What if it's not Israel they loathe?

Jerusalem Post ^ | 12-2-04 | AMIR TAHERI

[SJackson]

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[SirLurkedalot]

Muslims hated Jews long before America was a twinkle in her Daddy's eye.(Yes that capital "D" was intentional, atheists)

[Flatus I. Maximus]

But is it not possible that the reverse is true – that Israel is hated because it is pro-American?

If the author wants to test this theory by distancing Israel from America, then I hope he's a really good swimmer.

[SirLurkedalot]

LMAO!

[Kenton]

Cripes, you guys need to shed your angst about telling the truth, Amir.

Muslims hate us because we are not Muslims. They have been taught from birth that it's the right and proper thing to do.

Muslims virtually ALL support the idea of the imposition of the "Caliphate", or Muslim dictatorship, over all the people in the world. Americans will never let that happen. That's another reason they hate us.

Muslims are also very good at coming up with diversionary excuses as to why they hate us, like support of Israel, but if Israel evaporated miraculously overnight, Muslims would still have the desire and expectation of forcing the entire world to submit to Islam, or perish.

And they hate us even more now that we can see what they are, because we aren't wearing the "religion of peace" blinders anymore, and that is thwarting their evil designs.

Muslims hate us because we are. And by any standard, they are our sworn mortal enemy, a group of people who want to enslave us. And as I said before, we will never let that happen.

[Starrgaizr]

Both are hated. The fact that they're sometimes close provides more of an excuse. But even when the U.S. was cool to Israel and Isreal relied on France, Israel was hated. All branches of the decision tree leed to hating Israel and hating the U.S. Israel because Jews live there. The U.S. because it is the biggest global power and it is not an Islamic power.

[hlmencken3]

hmmm... Compare the historical treatment of Jews in Muslim lands versus the historical treatment of Jews in Christian lands...

America is hated because, to Muslims, it is obviously the leading Christian power. Islam wasn't friendly to Christians before Israel was recognized in 1948!

[tkathy]

There are parallels with the liberal elites and their sheeple that they despise and use.

[tkathy]

Mohammed had 700 or so jews butchered. This article is a pile of baloney.

[beef]

This article is good food for thought, but I doubt that Israel can get off of the Arab's sh*t list by going anti-american. Arabs hate the US because we are the leader of a civilization, the western world, whose culture and institutions the Muslims have never been able to conquer. Jews are an integral part of that civilization, and that crime is compounded by the fact that in 40 years they took a barren desert that Arabs had been inhabiting for ages and turned it into something worth having, all while being at war with their neighbors. And they don't even have any damn oil. I guess I'd be embarrassed and angered, too.

[SirLurkedalot]

Yep.

[SJackson]

This article is good food for thought, but I doubt that Israel can get off of the Arab's sh*t list by going anti-american.

No. Israel could get off Europe's sh*t list by going anti-American, a point the author seems to pass over.

[American in Israel]

But what if conventional wisdom got it wrong?

They call Israel the little-satan and America the Great-Satan. The only thing conventional about wisdom is that is is rare, and has ears.

[SunkenCiv]

Excellent.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

It's all a part of the World wide attempt to take out America....

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Unholy Alliance

by David Horowitz
Hardcover - (September 2004) - $27.95

In this tour de force on the most important issue of our time, David Horowitz, confronts the paradox of how so many Americans, including the leadership of the Democratic Party, could turn against the War on Terror. He finds an answer in a political Left that shares a view of America as the “Great Satan” with America’s radical Islamic enemies.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Useful thread for all to refresh our memories:

Need Help Finding Information re: Communisim

[SunkenCiv]

link's out up there. Here's a workin' one.

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[Rider on the Rain]

I really don't care if they hate us. I want them to fear us. I want them to have damn good reason to fear us; good enough reason to lay low for the next few centuries.

[Question_Assumptions]

All you need to understand about the priorities is that America is the "Great Satan" and Israel is the "Little Satan". If Israel is the key, they why aren't the titles reversed?