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Wanted: Israeli neocons
Jerusalem Post ^ | 12-16-04 | CAROLINE GLICK

Posted on 12/17/2004 4:48:52 AM PST by SJackson

Israel's passivity in the face of Palestinian corruption, authoritarianism and hate indicates that what Israel needs most desperately is for a movement of Israeli neoconservatives to arise and "take control" of Israel's foreign policy.

Speaking at the Interdisciplinary Center's Herzliya Conference on Monday, IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon said that Israel's "interest is to separate the general Palestinian population from those involved in terrorism." This, of course, stands at the core of all anti-guerrilla and counterterror operational thinking.

Ya'alon noted the economic devastation that the Palestinian terror war has wrought on the general Palestinian population. Repeated suicide attacks at the Erez Industrial Park, where some 4,000 Gazans worked each day to support some 35,000 people, forced Israel to close the park. This week's attack against an IDF outpost on the border between Gaza and Egypt forced the army to close the border-crossing terminal, preventing Gazans from conducting business in Egypt. Suicide bombers disguised as ordinary workers have forced Israel to stringently limit the number of Palestinians working in Israel and to erect roadblocks throughout Judea and Samaria.

Israel has, over the past four years, and indeed since the first Palestinian suicide bomber introduced himself to Israeli civilians back in 1994, tried to develop methods of screening cargo and workers that would make Palestinian economic activity possible while preventing the infiltration of human bombs. Additionally, as Ya'alon noted, Israel has worked to ensure that the health and education systems in Judea, Samaria and Gaza have continued to operate. This, in spite of the fact that terrorists have hidden in maternity and cancer wards from Bethlehem to Jenin and that the Palestinian school system teaches children that their life goal should be to become a suicide bomber.

Yet, in spite of all of Israel's attempts to separate the broader Palestinian population from the terrorists, Ya'alon admitted that support for the terrorists had not waned, nor had enthusiasm for terrorism in general. In his words, IDF counterterror operations over the past two years "have decreased the ability, not the motivation" of Palestinians to carry out attacks against Israelis.

And so it can be said that the IDF, and Israel as a whole, have failed in the mission of separating the general Palestinian population from those involved in terrorism.

How can this be the case? After all, Israel's leaders have never declared war on the Palestinians. To the contrary, every time it seemed there was a break in the clouds, Israel moved quickly to embrace any opportunity to begin discussions with Palestinian officials – whether at the political level or among the various official Palestinian militia commanders.

An answer to this seeming paradox was provided by The Jerusalem Post's Khaled Abu Toameh in a dispatch from Gaza earlier in the week. Toameh reported the case of Dr. Hassan Nurani, a psychologist from Gaza City who wished to run for the PA's presidency. Nurani composed a platform calling for the building of a "civilized and moral society." He was able to collect the requisite 5,000 signatures to submit his candidacy but couldn't afford the $3000 needed to register for the election. Desperate to run, Nurani tried selling off his small parcel of land and his home furnishings. But he still wasn't able to raise the sum, which is the rough equivalent of an annual salary in Gaza.

It is possible that Dr. Nurani supports terrorism. It is possible that he is not willing to live in a Palestinian society which exists alongside a strong and vibrant Jewish state. It is possible that he insists that Israel allow millions of foreign-born Arabs to immigrate freely into Israel as a condition for peace. But we'll never know, because he is too poor to tell us.

And then we have the frontrunner for the Palestinian presidency, new PLO head Mahmoud Abbas. He's the only show in town. It doesn't seem to bother anyone that Yasser Arafat's deputy of 40 years has refused to call for an end to the Palestinian terror war, saying just Wednesday in Saudi Arabia that he didn't mean to offend anyone when he said the day before that violence against Israel is counterproductive.

"All I meant," Abbas explained, "is that we are in a phase that does not necessitate arms because we want to negotiate." And in the meantime, he decried Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom's call earlier in the day for the international community to build permanent housing for the millions of Arabs, whose ancestors may have once lived in Israel, who have been interned in UN refugee camps in the Arab world for the past 55 years. "Any proposal regarding the resettlement of the refugees is completely rejected," Abbas, the soon-to-be-democratically elected Palestinian leader, said.

Shalom's call for the rehabilitation of the residents of the UN refugee camps was given in the course of his address to the Herzliya Conference. Aside from daring to raise the possibility of letting these poor people finally be free of the burden of living their lives as political symbols, his speech was actually wholly supportive of the combative, rejectionist Abbas.

Shalom devoted much of his address to calling for the convention of a second Aqaba summit with US President George W. Bush, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Abbas right after the January 9 elections. In his words: "The lead actors from the first Aqaba summit, which took place in June 2003 – Sharon, Bush and Abu Mazen [Abbas] – are the same actors today, but stronger."

So, in the run-up to the Palestinian election, which is supposed to be the first step toward the liberalization and democratization of Palestinian society, the presumptive winner – who stands opposed to any action against terror operatives or compromise on the so-called refugees that would enable peace to be achieved – is embraced as a positive development, a window of opportunity and a foregone conclusion.

In an interview with the Post's Ruthie Blum appearing today, Palestinian apologist extraordinaire Hanan Ashrawi assailed Bush for adopting "the neocon agenda" in calling for the transformation of Palestinian society from a terror-supporting and -engendering society into a peaceful democratic one before the establishment of a Palestinian state. In her words, "You don't use democracy for justifying the existence of states. You would then have to remove many states. Self-determination for Palestinians is a right that has to be implemented as a way of bringing peace and stability to the region. Therefore, you don't make a state dependent on its system of government."

And Ashrawi isn't alone. In his speech at the conference on Tuesday, Labor party leader and soon-to-be acting prime minister Shimon Peres assailed the notion that democratic reform is a necessary condition for peaceful relations.

Indeed, the very thought that Palestinian society must be democratized meets its staunchest opposition from Israeli elites. In his column in Yediot Ahronot last Friday, Nahum Barnea, Israel's journalistic supremo and proud socialist, wrote scathingly of Bush's attachment to the notions of democracy and morality. Speaking of Bush's reading of Minister-without-Portfolio Natan Sharansky's book, The Case for Democracy, which argues that peaceful relations are contingent on individual freedom and democracy, Barnea sneered, "The book publisher can now advertise it as 'the only book the president has read in the last 10 years.'" He then went on to witheringly criticize Sharansky's book, describing it as "clear, easily digestible, unburdened by doubt, moralistic, very positive and totally simplistic."

Israel's elitists, like Barnea and Peres, and their sheep-like followers like Shalom, no doubt took comfort in the obnoxious responses evinced toward the Bush administration's policy doctrine of bringing democracy to the Arab world during last Saturday's conference on the topic in Rabat, Morocco. There, US Secretary of State Colin Powell was barraged by angry statements from the Egyptian, Saudi and Libyan foreign ministers, who claimed that the US can't talk about democracy until "the peace process" goes forward and US occupation of Iraq comes to an end.

Even German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, the champion of the Israeli Left, said that progress toward peace between Israel and the Palestinians "will lend all reform and modernization efforts in the Arab world unprecedented momentum."

It isn't surprising that the same people who demonize their political opposition in Israel as warmongering extremists and potential political assassins would have such a low opinion of the possibility that Arabs might, if given the opportunity, choose to live freely and at peace with Israel and the rest of their neighbors.

And yet, as The Washington Post's editorialist noted on Wednesday, even as the Arab potentates were berating the Americans for daring to discuss democracy with them, Arab human rights activists who also participated in the conference insisted that the Americans continue to pressure their governments and that "Palestinian and Iraqi issues should not be used as excuses for not launching reforms."

And what did these people want? They demanded that their governments "allow free ownership of media institutions and sources; allow freedom of expression and especially freedom of assembly and meetings; ensure women's rights and remove all forms of inequality and discrimination against women in the Arab world; and immediately release reformers, human rights activists and political prisoners."

The American neoconservatives, who have been the most visible proponents of democracy in the Arab world and who Barnea, echoing Ashrawi, alleges "control the foreign policy of the Bush administration," have often been accused of working for Israel. Yet, as our elites' revulsion with democracy and our government's silence on the issue shows, American democracy advocates have almost no one to talk to in Israel. Indeed, Israel's passivity in the face of Palestinian corruption, authoritarianism and hate indicates that what Israel needs most desperately is for a movement of Israeli neoconservatives to arise and "take control" of Israel's foreign policy.


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To: PiersGaveston

"Not sure, but then if I am a figment of your imagination then I am not free to think, or not think about you."

If you're gonna try and quote me, get it right troll.
The correct quote is that you are delusional and hallucinatory.
As evidenced by your dogged holding on to the belief that bulldozers have been used to kill people.
The only person to die by one wasn't even a so-calle d "Palestinain" but as liberal terrorist sympathizer named Rachel "Pancake" Corrie.

Thanks for playing though, try to have a nice life.

The real quote from my bio page that you so pathetically tried to use as a flame?

"Are you SURE that you really wanna think about me?
Honest, I may just be a figment of your imagination.
Everything I say is just illusion, only happening in your mind.
You're raving mad, strapped down and foaming at the mouth.
And just think, all of this is ONLY occuring to you!
You're imagining this whole page, and everything I say.
Isn't this terrible?
And just think, the only one you have to blame for imagining any of this is you."


Once you try to flame from the bio page, that means you've lost and have nothing left to debate.


61 posted on 12/17/2004 11:06:19 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston

What's wrong?
Nothing further to say?
All trolled out?
Figure you slipped up with this post?


62 posted on 12/17/2004 11:16:25 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: Darksheare

I suppose A bulldozer must "drive through" a city to reach the building to be razed. So the phrase "driving through a refugee camp" is technically accurate, with the added bonus of inspiring all sorts of false presumptions about intent, context and consequence. Why worry about the truth when you can use emotion-laden labels to make a point?


63 posted on 12/17/2004 11:17:07 AM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: rightwingcrazy

Yeah, I know.
He never did back up that statement, did he?

He made the claim that the bulldozer killed 'innocents', and he's been challeneged to prove it.
Doubt he'll try.


64 posted on 12/17/2004 11:18:30 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston
I despise all forms of terrorism, perhaps most especially suicide-bombing.

Do you classify IDF bulldozers taking down terrorist homes terrorism?

65 posted on 12/17/2004 11:20:52 AM PST by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: Darksheare
You support the terror bombings,

Since we're playing at the 'where' game. Where did I support terror bombings? I dispise them.

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/beit_rima_invasion.htm

I won't bother asking if it is enough because I seriously doubt that you would believe it if you witnessed with your own eyes, thus I know that it is not enough for you.
66 posted on 12/17/2004 11:23:42 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: Darksheare
What's wrong?
Nothing further to say?
All trolled out?
Figure you slipped up with this post?


Actually my sister telephoned, delighted to be back in the hot-seat once again.

Sorry you missed me.
67 posted on 12/17/2004 11:24:51 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: PiersGaveston
You have been watching anti-Israel European media for too long. That's why you are linking to a pro-Arab website.

The incident that anti-Israel website is talking about leaves out the facts:

IDF Confirms At Least 5 Armed Terrorists Killed in Beit Rima Incursion – Other Terrorists Apprehended

IDF Completes Withdrawal from Beit Rima

68 posted on 12/17/2004 11:27:14 AM PST by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: PiersGaveston

"Since we're playing at the 'where' game."

Hey, you were the one who staretd the 'game'.
LIST WHO DIED.


69 posted on 12/17/2004 11:27:29 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston

By overwhelming demand, adieu.


70 posted on 12/17/2004 11:28:32 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Darksheare; yonif
palestinemonitor.org

Only a blind drunk Brit twit posts from a scummy terror-shill site and expects people to accept it at face value.

71 posted on 12/17/2004 11:30:05 AM PST by Alouette (9 kids, 0 abortions, no kidding)
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To: PiersGaveston
And guess what happened before that IDF operation?

A week earlier an Israeli government minister was murdered by terrorists.

72 posted on 12/17/2004 11:34:31 AM PST by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: PiersGaveston
delighted to be back in the hot-seat once again.


73 posted on 12/17/2004 11:37:52 AM PST by Alouette (9 kids, 0 abortions, no kidding)
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To: PiersGaveston

Palestinian monitor is about as factual as using "aztlan.org"...


74 posted on 12/17/2004 12:01:30 PM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: Alouette; yonif

Maybe PiersGaveston was Skunk returned yet again?
I'm surprised he didn't cite "Aztlan.org" as a source.


75 posted on 12/17/2004 12:02:39 PM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston

I am curious, though. Do you support the State of Israel's right to exist? Do you support Israel's right to defend herself against Palestinian terrorism? I'm a newbie too so I don't have all the protocol down but part of what drove me away from the left and to embrace the right was the support for Israel. But one more thing, bear with me please, what about those teenage girls who were blown to bits? I am not being facetious, I really want to know?


76 posted on 12/17/2004 12:14:28 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: Darksheare

Oh, he's gone. I didn't get back from lunch fast enough with my response. That was mighty quick!


77 posted on 12/17/2004 12:19:00 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: Darksheare
Uhh, yeah, the answer IS obvious: You really ARE a troll.

He was trolling, but I don't think he was a garden-variety type of troll from somewhere like DU.

I'm thinking he was more of a retread.


78 posted on 12/17/2004 12:19:35 PM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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To: Valin

That was a good pro-Israel post! Ok, maybe I was wrong...


79 posted on 12/17/2004 12:21:04 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: Darksheare
Maybe PiersGaveston was Skunk returned yet again?

I don't think so. "Skunk" had his own, very distinctive aroma.

80 posted on 12/17/2004 12:45:23 PM PST by Alouette (9 kids, 0 abortions, no kidding)
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