Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp (Vietnam Human Rights Bill)

International Christian Concern ^ | 12/27/2004 | Montagnard Foundation

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...and just so the now Free Iraqi people don't have to endure the massive human suffering the once Free Vietnamese did long ago after...

...the same Anti-Freedom forces fooled America into leaving them behind to their fate at the hands of invading Communist Bullies from the North...


'Many come out to show war support across land'

http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030324antiwar0324p7.asp
(Associated Press Photo/Article)

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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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...and now for very good reason:


Victims of Communism Memorial Planned for D.C.

http://www.Newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/13/111032.shtml

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[antisocial]

"Everyone else can continue the simpleminded commie bashing and stay ignorant."

Any idea how many Commie sympathizers work at the state department?

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Picture - Victims of Communism D.C. Memorial

http://www.VictimsofCommunism.org

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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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And now from someone who knows from direct experience...


TRAN Blasts DEAN: Calls for Solidarity in Iraq

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536289/posts


...just for the LOVE of it.

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[Hank Rearden]

A real war between the US and North Vietnam should last a year, tops. Moreover, there is no rational way anybody can ask draftees to fight in such a thing or draft the boy next door and tell him it's somehow or other his patriotic duty to go into harms way for something which clearly amounts to a geopolitical game with no semblence of a declaration of war or a real commitment.

Exactly. If someone wants to put his butt on the line exclusively for the benefit of another country, let him be a mercenary.

Our military exists to serve our national interest, and it was either a stretch or complete BS to suggest Vietnam was an important national interest.

And after all these years, why haven't the Vietnamese taken out the commie bastards if it was such an important cause? Are they waiting for us to save them from themselves, like the Moos keep begging us to do?

[Casloy]

I see nothing wrong with the pictures. How else are they supposed to turn people into slaves of the state?

[geopyg]

Googled it.

From Amnesty International - not a CHRISTIAN organization. Of course they were not arrested for being Christian per se. The guy was arrested for distributing religious material without the consent of the gov't. The gal was arrested for protesting.

I imagine charges for the other 7498 are along a similar vein and have nothing whatsoever to do with their "beliefs".



Amnesty International warmly welcomes reports that two prisoners of conscience will soon be released as part of an amnesty for more than 7500 prisoners. The amnesty marks the 30th anniversary of the end of the Viet Nam War on 30 April.

Among those to be released are Reverend Pham Ngoc Lien, a 63-year-old member of the Catholic Congregation of the Mother Co-Redemptrix (CMC), who has spent the last 18 years in prison, and Le Thi Hong Lien, a young woman teacher for the Mennonite Christian Church, who has reportedly suffered beatings and abuse during 11 months of imprisonment .

"The anticipated release of these two people, both in poor health, is long overdue and a welcome, positive step," Amnesty International said. "However, we once again call for the Vietnamese authorities to release all prisoners of conscience and to stop incarcerating political and religious activists for exercising their fundamental human rights to freedom of expression, association and religion".

"Unless substantive changes are made to the law, all Vietnamese people remain at risk of arrest simply for peacefully expressing their political and religious beliefs."

"Despite releasing these prisoners of conscience, the Vietnamese authorities are continuing to flout domestic and international law by using security legislation to imprison people for the peaceful exercise of their rights to freedom of expression, association and religion, despite guarantees in the Vietnamese Constitution and international human rights law. It is time for the authorities to take responsibility for upholding and protecting the human rights of everyone."

Background

Reverend Pham Ngoc Lien (Tri) (63), is a member of the Congregation of the Mother Co-Redemptrix (CMC), who has been imprisoned for the last 18 years. He was among a group of 23 Roman Catholic monks and priests arrested in May 1987 during raids on Thu Duc monastery, near Ho Chi Minh City, for holding training courses and distributing religious books without government permission. In October 1987, he was sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment plus five years' house arrest on release under national security legislation for "conducting propaganda to oppose the socialist regime and undermine the policy of solidarity". The other 22 monks arrested were also sentenced to between four years and life imprisonment; all have been released except for Reverend Pham Ngoc Lien (Tri) and Brother Nguyen Thien Phung (Huan), who have been adopted as prisoners of conscience by Amnesty International for many years.To Amnesty International's knowledge, Brother Nguyen Thien Phung is not included in the current amnesty and will remain in Z30A prison, Dong Nai province.

Le Thi Hong Lien, 21, a teacher for the Vietnamese Mennonite Christian Church, was arrested in June 2004 along with a number of other members of the Mennonite community. On 12 November, she was sentenced to 12 months in prison on charges of "resisting a person performing official duty" for her role in a protest. Members of the Mennonite Church, and other religious organizations that are not sanctioned by the state, have suffered official harassment and imprisonment for many years. Le Thi Hong Lien had taken part in a number of demonstrations against the government's policies on religion, and had been arrested many times. She is reported to have been subjected to beatings and abuse during her imprisonment, resulting in a serious deterioration in her physical and mental health. In February she was transferred to Bien Hoa Mental Hospital under the charge of prison guards.

[DakotaRed]

Maybe a certain traitorous Senator from Massachusetts should have these pictures shoved up his ...... er ..... uh ....... big nose?

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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In Communist-enslaved Vietnam...
the only ones with the guns...
are the Communists in control,
who see any Vietnamese inside Vietnam...
wanting to exercise their...
basic human rights as...
TERRORISTS to be handled accordingly.

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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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...just for LOVE of it...

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[R. Scott]

Ask any liberal who still believes that abandoning the Vietnamese was the right thing to do.

Some of them still claim there was no retaliation. All the South Vietnamese were happy to see the North win. < /barf>
Here are some stats on that war. Scroll to the bottom for the aftermath. The notes are very comprehensive, but some have to be enlarged to be readable.

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And so when is Iraq really like Vietnam..?

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1547528/posts

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[R. Scott]

But Haj Ali al Qaisi was just an innocent Iraqi, tortured by the barbarous forces of American Imperialism – just ask “Our Betters” at See BS.

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Ping

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[Scaresmetothink]

Veit_Thuy:

You provided a link to the State Dept for 2003, try this from 2004:

You Are In: USINFO > Topics > Human Rights > International Religious Freedom

Commission Releases Report on Religious Freedom
Recommends listing six additional "countries of particular concern"

The Commission on International Religious Freedom, releasing its annual report May 12, recommended that 11 nations be designated "countries of particular concern" (CPC) for their curtailment or denial of religious freedom.

In addition to the five countries currently listed by the U.S. State Department as CPCs -- Burma, China, North Korea, Iran, and Sudan -- the committee asked Secretary of State Colin Powell to add six additional countries -- Eritrea, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkmenistan and Vietnam -- to the list.

According to the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 (IRFA), those countries that meet the statutory criteria in that act must be designated by the secretary of state as CPCs.

However, "the simple designation by the U.S. government of a severe violator of religious freedom as a CPC is not sufficient action," the report said. "The policy of the United States also must be to take active steps in response to those countries deemed to be particularly egregious religious freedom violators."

In addition to CPC designations, the commission made several recommendations regarding religious freedom in Afghanistan and Iraq where, according to the report, "the United States has a particular responsibility to ensure that the newly formed governments are functioning democracies that protect human rights, including religious freedom." The report specifically discusses the necessity of protecting freedoms of thought, conscious and religion in the newly developed constitutions of those nations.

The Commission on International Religious Freedom was created by the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 to make recommendations on issues of religious freedom to the president, secretary of state and Congress.

For the complete report see http://www.uscirf.gov/reports/12May04/finalReport.php3

Annual Report of the United States Commission
on International Religious Freedom

May 2004
(End of report)
Killjoy: You wanted am officially non religious entity to verify anti-religious activity in Vietnam. This report calls Vietnam to be "particularly egregious religious freedom violators."
Finally in regard to the pictures shown in the original entry on Re-Education in Vietnam: Picture #2 - The arms are pulled up behind them in an elevated position. It has been a long time but I recall the returning POWs discussing the North Vietnamese torturing them with the "Rope Trick" which involoved pulling the arms back and up with ropes or chains in some fashion. It recalled this means of torture the moment I saw the picture though it may have varied from that of the Hanoi Hilton era. Realize that if the person pictured faints or becomes unable to stand the pressure on the arms and the shoulder joints would be excruciating and would likely cause the arm to leave the shoulder socket.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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U.S. Congressman & Vietnam Veteran John Murtha is against our best protecting ourselves from future terrorist attacks here at home with our fighting for the Freedom of others in Iraq. As he now calls for all our Hero Soldiers' immediate return from Iraq...

Murtha's War Hero Record Called Into Question

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts

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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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...and now it's OUR turn...


Cronkite: Time for U.S. to Leave Iraq


http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558676/posts

...as he struggles...

...to get back into his old...

...CBS TV News anchor chair,

...in a new Time of War...

...in a new century...

...with an enemy that's now...

...just around the corner and...

...up YOUR street...

...with OUR own Freedom...

...directly at stake...

...here at home.


PRAY & PREPARE.

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[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

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And today,

California State Assemblyman VAN TRAN...

became the 1st Vietnamese-American in U.S. History to announce his run for a State Legislature's Upper House Seat:


TRAN to run for Dunn's Senate seat

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_949473.php

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