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Evidence May Back Human Sacrifice Claims
My Way News ^ | 1/22/05 | MARK STEVENSON/AP

Posted on 01/23/2005 2:26:53 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
One need only look at the pre-Columbian Crow Creek Massacre to realize that the Native Americans didn't need Europeans to teach them how to kill, though the Moche of what is now Peru probably take the prize for most twisted and brutal in the Americas. Of course the ancestors of plenty of Europeans, Asians, and Africans were just as brutal. For example, read the content of the earliest Chinese writing in the form of Shang oracle bones. They did quite a bit of human sacrifice. The Celts had their own fair share, as well, especially if you assume the Romans were as honest as the Spaniards were.
81 posted on 01/24/2005 8:37:02 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

According to Prescott, via the Spanish, 20,000 were served up when Monty was crowned. The Minotaur only demanded 7 from Athens, kinda matches the discoveries from "The Room Of The Children's Bones." (Knossos).


82 posted on 01/24/2005 8:49:09 AM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: escapefromboston
Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus. It's not Card's best work, but it is thought provoking.
83 posted on 01/24/2005 12:59:09 PM PST by Lil'freeper (Error 404. The requested file was not found.)
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To: BurbankKarl

That stinks! We wont even have Christmas that year!


84 posted on 01/24/2005 1:04:19 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: franksolich
Many thanks for your very interesting post and corroboration. I hadn't heard of this author before,but now I want to read her books.

When I was a little girl,I was very interested in American Indians,which was spurred by a children's book my mother had been given about the Navajo,written by a white man,who had lived almost all of his life with them. Though this book was written for children,it was a sociological look at Navajo life and their myths on an extremely high level.

85 posted on 01/24/2005 1:44:55 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Pelham

Thanks! I love good movies.


86 posted on 01/24/2005 2:54:41 PM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: dangus

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll be a little more specific in the scenes that really bothered me. The officer that pretended to be Napolian(sp), peed his pants then shot himself. I generally despise the way that hollywood portrays the military anyway and this was no exception. They spent so much time showing our hero documenting his thoughts and art and then they showed 2 thugs who were practically cavemen using his diary as toilet paper. The looser who drove him out there and was later shot by the token evil indians. The perfect peace and harmony and love of nature and mutual respect that the Sioux were represented as having. They belabored the shooting of the wolf for fun and the killing of buffalo for their hides. There was never one single tiny token of truth about Christianity among whitemen. We were just all disgusting thugs. Hated it.


87 posted on 01/24/2005 3:01:40 PM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: brytlea
Well, perhaps if they were captives, but the article seemed to indicate they were treated well before sacrifice?

The Mayans often selected future sacrifice victims as infants, strapping boards to the back of the heads in order to deform them as they grew. They also sharpened their teeth into something resembling fangs and kept them in pits until it was time to murder them.

It's true that the Mayans had some religious reverance for the poor kids, but I don't think you or I would consider that to be "treated well."

88 posted on 01/24/2005 3:18:15 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: biblewonk

Yes, I though the fact that he was pretending to be Napoleon made it quite clear that the man was seriously mentally ill, and not representative of the military in general. He was probably suffering from what they would now call Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

But the sad fact is that the way the US military got rid of the crazies was to send them off someplace where they would have minimum impact on other soldiers, without causing them dishonor by discharging them.

By making the officer so clearly crazy, I thought the movie was emphasizing the point: This was not your typical "military" behavior. It also demonstrated that Lt. John Duncan (or was in Dunbar? You know: Kevin Costner's character) was also sent out there because he, too, was thought to be insane. The sad truth is that the real story is perhaps even graver: The U.S. comitted grave atrocities against the Sioux as a matter of policy. Portraying them as a simple result of insanity is, in fact, close to being a whitewash.

Most Hollywood movies gratuitously add military men acting evil. In this instance, there was a necessary reason for the inclusion.

The fact is that we did do great evil to the Sioux. Out of 100,000 times Hollywood lies about the military, it is strange to attack one of the few instances where the lies are, on the whole, true.

I also credit the movie for putting the conquest by the White Men in perspective. Ted Turner's fiction is that we wiped out tens and tens of millions of Indians. The truth, as the chief did in the movie say, is that white men were so many times more numerous than the Indians, the Indians could not conceive of their number.

The conquest was inevitable, and was not, in itself evil. The gross atrocities committed during the conquest because Washington was so careless as to allow derelicts and crazies to set policy was not inevitable, and should not be forgotten. The crime of Hollywood is to define us only by our failures, not in recording one of those failures.


89 posted on 01/24/2005 3:25:59 PM PST by dangus
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