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Microsoft: Legit Windows or no updates
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Posted on 01/26/2005 1:59:43 PM PST by Happy2BMe

Aiming to crack down on counterfeit software, Microsoft plans later this year to require customers to verify that their copy of Windows is genuine before downloading security patches and other add-ons to the operating system.

Since last fall the company has been testing a tool that can check whether a particular version of Windows is legitimate, but until now the checks have been voluntary. Starting Feb. 7, the verification will be mandatory for many downloads for people in three countries: China, Norway and the Czech Republic.

In those countries, people whose copies are found not to be legitimate can get a discount on a genuine copy of Windows, though the price varies from $10 to $150 depending on the country.

By the middle of this year, Microsoft will make the verification mandatory in all countries for both add-on features to Windows as well as for all OS updates, including security patches. Microsoft will continue to allow all people to get Windows updates by turning on the Automatic Update feature within Windows. By doing so, Microsoft hopes it has struck a balance between promoting security and ensuring that people buy genuine versions of Windows.

"We think that the best foundation for the most secure system is genuine software," said David Lazar, director of the Genuine Windows program at Microsoft. "We want to urge all of our customers to use genuine software. (At the same time), we want to make sure that we don't do anything to reduce the likelihood that a user will keep their system up to date."

The program, known as Windows Genuine Advantage, also offers perks to those who verify their copy of Windows. Those who do can get free software as well as discounts on other Microsoft products and services. Microsoft is upping the ante a bit, adding some additional discounts on MSN Games as well as on the company's recently announced Outlook Live subscription service to the existing list of benefits, which includes free access to the company's Photo Story 3 program.

Customers do appear to be interested in double-checking the status of their operating system. Some 8 million people have been asked to participate in the program since testing began, and more than 5 million have taken part.

And those numbers have come with very little recruiting on the part of Microsoft, Lazar said.

"More and more we will be marketing the offers to broaden the participation," he said. "People do like free stuff."

Piracy is a major problem for Microsoft and others in the software industry. One software industry study estimated that more than

a third of software is pirated, costing the industry $29 billion a year. Microsoft won't put an exact figure on its losses, but said it is certainly in the billions over the past 10 years.

The validation effort is just part of Microsoft's threefold program, which focuses on educating users, engineering products in ways that minimize piracy, and enforcement through the legal system.

As for the added security risk, Directions on Microsoft analyst Michael Cherry said that people are putting too much of the blame on the software maker.

Cherry said it is not necessarily Microsoft's responsibility to protect people who aren't paying the company for its products. He likened the situation to buying a fake Rolex and then expecting warranty service if the product breaks.

The problem with that analogy, Cherry acknowledged, is that a broken Rolex doesn't put other watch owners at risk, whereas vulnerable computers connected to the Internet threaten all PC users. However, Cherry said that many of the computers that are at risk are using genuine, but older versions of Windows.

"There's a growing chance that the people whose machines are being taken over are running older systems which aren't really securable," he said.

Cherry said he thinks the company is acting appropriately, noting that making sure people are running genuine Windows is important for all customers.

"I think they are entitled to do this, and I think it is in customers' best interest to know that they have a genuine version of the software," he said. Counterfeit copies could contain their own bugs or viruses, and there is no way to guarantee that security patches will work, even if the user can download them, he said.

While Microsoft is the obvious beneficiary if piracy rates go down, Cherry said programs like Genuine Advantage also help level the playing field for smaller computer builders who play by the rules and find themselves undercut by dealers offering PCs with bogus copies of Windows.

"Those are the people I hope the program is helping," Cherry said.


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To: sam_paine
I was asking how you or I getting a Mac reduces the headache of unpatched-windoze boxes out there that drag down the net with DOS attacks, spam, etc

It doesn't, you are correct. What would help is if we can convince a few million people to make the switch. :-)

21 posted on 01/26/2005 2:24:10 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: Yo-Yo
I say if it's good for prescription drugs, then it's gotta be good for software! I call for the re-importation of Windoze from the $10 country!

Bill Gates is a solid liberal, he will undoubtedly be a strong supporter!

/Sarcasm

22 posted on 01/26/2005 2:24:56 PM PST by RJL
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

just did it. installed new motherboard. every thing was fine until i installed the video drivers bingo had to call ms. drivers no problem, sound no problem just video.


23 posted on 01/26/2005 2:25:02 PM PST by camas
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To: blues_guitarist

Have you ever managed to get any distro of linux to work with wireless equipment? I can't and it is really frustrating me. I've tried Mandrake 9.1 and 10, Redhat 9.1, knoppix 3.0, 3.4, and 3.7 installed to the hard drive, all with no success. If I could get my wireless gear going I would switch. Microsoft is becoming to invasive for my tastes, but Windows XP Pro SP2 works where as Linux so far, for me and my wireless network does not. I love the knoppix 3.4 version, installed, it is beautiful, but useless without the internet connection.


24 posted on 01/26/2005 2:25:10 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: LibertarianInExile

Microsoft is struggling STILL to make having an OS like having to pay electric or water bills. MS wants a monthly bill to go out to every owner of a computer.

Of course it is not going to happen since the monopoly is still there but the POTENTIAL exists to chip it away.


25 posted on 01/26/2005 2:25:19 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Echo Talon

Once you get used to it, Macs are your friend. I use a Mac at work and the biggest problem I have is hitting the right keys to activate shortcuts. I keep hitting PC combinations at work and Mac combos at home. If I could just turn my brain around, it'd all be good. But them I might vote dem. Not good. I'll stick with the confusion.


26 posted on 01/26/2005 2:25:48 PM PST by Frank L
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To: Happy2BMe

Exactly if they lowered the costs to the consumer more people would buy it, I work as an IT, I have my own consulting firm and whenever I go to a site that is still using 9x I try to talk them into upgradeing to XP because it is more stable and secure, but most people do not want to pay $150+ per computer to upgrade, now if you could get it for $40 or $50 a lot more people would legally upgrade when the upgrades came out.

A lot of corporations like Microsoft blame high costs on the amount of priacy so they increase the price to make up for the illegal software, but in reality the high prices make priacy more worth it.


27 posted on 01/26/2005 2:26:00 PM PST by bgnn32
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To: Tacos
Apple's are still too expensive for a lot of consumers.

Mac miniIntroducing Mac mini. The most affordable Mac ever. Starting at $499.

28 posted on 01/26/2005 2:26:17 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: Happy2BMe

29 posted on 01/26/2005 2:27:07 PM PST by Shortwave (Supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor.)
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To: Tacos

They're the Jordache of PC's. All name.

My Dell is awesome. $900 and better than anything Apple could produce. 2.8 ghz, 19 inch monitor, a gig of memory and DVDR

(I'm sure this statement will draw scorn)


30 posted on 01/26/2005 2:27:12 PM PST by fo0hzy
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

That's so dead-pan, it's hilarious.


31 posted on 01/26/2005 2:27:17 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

yikes!


32 posted on 01/26/2005 2:27:40 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Happy2BMe
OK.
I have donned my asbestos outfit. There is always a puzzler when Microsoft refers to "bogus copies" of Windows.
I have visions of hundreds of industrious Asian programmers randomly stringing 000s and 11111s together, packaging it in authentic-looking Windows" boxes and finding a never-ending stream of suckers to sell them to.

Is that about right?

33 posted on 01/26/2005 2:27:59 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: Echo Talon

On your mouse, forget about "right-clicking" -- there is none.


34 posted on 01/26/2005 2:28:08 PM PST by CedarDave (Democrats don't speak -- they rant!)
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

>If you have a Mac you no longer have to worry about viruses. There aren't any for the Mac.

who would bother writing a virus for all 12 of them that has been made?{sarcam}


35 posted on 01/26/2005 2:28:09 PM PST by postaldave (ACLU = Anti-Christian, Liberal, and Un-American.)
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

Nice coaster.


36 posted on 01/26/2005 2:28:12 PM PST by fo0hzy
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To: Happy2BMe

No problem. All of my software is legal. People who steal software are thieves.

On another note, after 14 months of screwing around, I finally got RedHat 9 to print on my XP network printer this afternoon.


37 posted on 01/26/2005 2:29:32 PM PST by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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To: fo0hzy
My Dell is awesome. $900 and better than anything Apple could produce. 2.8 ghz, 19 inch monitor, a gig of memory and DVDR

Not scorn, just that I'd point out that for roughly the same money you could have a faster Mac mini with better software, a more stable OS, a firewire port, better video/graphics capabilities, support for bluetooth & WiFi, and a drive capable of not only reading DVDs, but burning them as well (and also being able to burn CDs). Oh, and you wouldn't need an anti-virus application. :-)

38 posted on 01/26/2005 2:29:54 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: postaldave
who would bother writing a virus for all 12 of them that has been made?{sarcam}

Yeah, I guess the million+ macs that Apple sold in Q404 don't count.

39 posted on 01/26/2005 2:30:49 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

"If you have a Mac you no longer have to worry about viruses. There aren't any for the Mac."

You just keep believing that, it is people who think stuff like that keep me in business.


40 posted on 01/26/2005 2:31:01 PM PST by bgnn32
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