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Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21
SierraTimes.com ^ | Feb 3, 2005 | Nancy Levant

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer

Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21 Nancy Levant

I keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting for Bill O’Reilly or Shaun Hannity or Oprah Winfrey or somebody…..anybody, who has daily access to the multitudes, to say the words, “Agenda 21.” I’m still waiting, and for the life of me, I don’t understand the refusal to talk about the greatest threat to America that has ever existed. However, it dawns on me that wrapping a brain around Agenda 21 requires time, effort, interest, and a lot diligence. No one told me about Agenda 21. I found it by accident on the Internet. Then I went to the U.N.’s website and read Agenda 21. From there I went to Buenos Aires, The President’s Commission of Sustainable Development, my local sustainable development commissions and planners, to local visioning commissions, ecology conglomerates, and then back to the U.N.. After about six months of reading about a whole lot of global, national, and philanthropic organizations, I started documenting and keeping running lists because, I discovered, Agenda 21 was huge, highly developed, and a done deal. “How is it,” I asked myself, “that in 50 years, I never heard of any of this before? Where were my trusted newscasters? And why hasn’t my President, or the previous Presidents, ever talked about Agenda 21, the meetings in Buenos Aires, and Agenda 21’s connections to the World Trade Organization, World Bank, and a thousand other global organizations?”

So, I kept researching the Net. And lo and behold, I finally realized that Agenda 21 would never be publicized to Americans. It really can’t be.

As my running lists were now becoming encyclopedic, I also realized that there was no way to explain Agenda 21 easily. It’s too big, profoundly sophisticated, intentionally masked and hidden by corporate agendas and ecological ideologies that are, themselves, exploited by corporate agendas. But more than that, I realized that for Americans to understand Agenda 21, they would have to come to terms with a truth that, I fear, they won’t believe. What would that truth be? Let me try to say it in one sentence: Agenda 21 is the end of America.

As I read that sentence I think, “Well, Nancy, now everyone is going to think you are an extremist and no one will believe anything you say from now on. Everyone knows there can be no end to America….”

But unfortunately, my dear Americans, there can be an end to America, for America is a way of life. The place on Earth - where we are – the beautiful and bountiful lands between Canada and Mexico, might retain the name of “The United States of America,” but I’m not even sure that that is a given. If you believe even half of Agenda 21 and it’s dealings with the World Trade Organization, The World Bank, The President’s Commission on Sustainable Development, The Commission on Global Governance, The World Conference on Global Governance, The Millennium Project, The Court of Criminal Justice, The Nature Conservancy, The World Summit on Sustainable Development, Smart Growth, AND the “visioning” training and manipulation of American people, then you realize what has happened right under our noses over the past 35 years and without one national personality ever mentioning Agenda 21.

So, let me offer a list of website addresses to help readers research for themselves. I suggest you take notes and collect new website addresses. I believe that, as Americans, we owe it to our history and our sense of ourselves, to do the following:

· Read Agenda 21. If you read the other information via the web addresses in this article, you will wrap your brain around Agenda 21. It’s unbelievable and it’s dastardly, because not one politician or national media outlet has had the guts to tell us what was being taken from us.

· Pass your knowledge on to others. Don’t stew and be paralyzed. Take your knowledge to churches, civic organizations, and any other groups or individuals you can, and resolve yourselves to spread the news. Have an Anti-Agenda 21 Parade or Day to draw attention to the cause. Without fail, it’s the most important thing you will ever do in your lives as patriotic people. Write to your representatives and tell them you know what they have hidden, and that their manipulations of American citizens are shameful. Do it.

· Try so very hard to home school your children. Public schools are governmental institutions embroiled in Agenda 21 and its plans for the United States and our children. As you read and study Agenda 21, you will see it alive, well, and operating most obviously in the public schools. You will also see it clearly in the newest communities in all states across the country. Agenda 21 is everywhere, and it wants your children’s intellects and value systems as well as your land and land rights.

· Finally, teach your children about Agenda 21, what it is, and what it is doing to their country. Children have unique wisdoms at every age. Teach them truths so that they can faithfully and fearlessly speak truths. They must understand what is happening in their country. They cannot fight hidden and masked manipulations if they don’t understand how and where they operate.

Now is the time for Americans to help Americans. We cannot fight the loss of our rights unless we understand the game, and most Americans are totally unaware of what is happening to them and their communities. However, I do believe that the bulk of American people “sense” that something is amiss. Let’s commit to them, our children, and our futures. Let’s spread the news and make the media and politicians talk. They have counted on our stupidity, our silence, and our laziness. They have even counted on us not really caring.

We have to remember – it’s our government. It does not belong to politicians. They work for us. Unfortunately, they have not done that, and furthermore, they have advanced a worldwide mission without our knowledge, our votes, or even our opinions. So I say, one town at a time, here we come, and any elected official found to be complicit or a silent player in the Agenda 21 game needs to go.

Agenda 21 – Learn All About It

Basic Explanation of birth of Agenda 21 http://www.johannesburgsummit.org/html/basic_info/unced.html

Timeline of development of world governance and agenda 21 http://www.sovereignty.net/timeline.html

Key players of Millennium Project http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/tf6interim.pdf

HABITAT II – U.N. Housing Requirements http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/hab2.html

Brainwashing/education http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashing.html

Global Governance – key international players http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/gganalysis.htm

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Millennium Goals Project http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.edu/about/director/

Rocky Mountain Institute http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid61.php

Sustainable Development in the United States – natural resources goals: http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/usa/natur.htm

Henry Lamb http://www.sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html

The Sustainable Development Institute http://www.susdev.org/

American Policy Center – Tom DeWeese http://americanpolicy.org/ invasive species legislation: http://americanpolicy.org/prop/main.htm the Wildlands Project, Smart Growth Project http://americanpolicy.org/un/darkside.htm

American Farmland Trust & the Nature Conservancy & OSU http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles5/rustling_america_in_ohio.htm

Human Settlements – goals http://www.nlihc.org/mahn/habitat.htm ***Education for sustainability: An Agenda Action http://www.gcrio.org/edu/pcsd/toc.html United Nations dissolves USA Sovereignty http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a33916.htm Visioning Training-How To Re-Envision People and Communities www.hhh.umn.edu/centers/rlc/comm/outcome.htm People and their organizations and schemes: http://www.southern-style.com/conspiracy_of_the_left.htm How to force visioning upon the public as quoted from the United Nation’s Agenda 21 document: http://doncasey.home.mindspring.com/vision.htm World Summit on Sustainable Development http://www.minambiente.it/Sito/settori_azione/pia/docs/forum_chairman_summary.pdf


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Visioning projects are going on all over the United States to brainwash Americans into accepting smart growth and its subsequent soviet bloc style housing and elimination of private automobiles for transportation.
1 posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:06 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: All

They're coming to take me away

ha ha

They're coming to take me away

ha ha ho ho he he

To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time


2 posted on 02/03/2005 10:40:45 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Nope. Its a real thing. The Commission on Global Governance, a UN group, wrote a book. I inquired and they sent me one. The plans are all there, and they ARE carrying them out.. bit by bit.

Its not a secret, not a conspiracy, people just don't seem to want to talk about it.

3 posted on 02/03/2005 10:44:22 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
The book was called Our Global Neighborhood BTW, probably available online by now.
4 posted on 02/03/2005 10:45:51 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

5 posted on 02/03/2005 10:46:44 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Rather than denigrating and belittling the poster, do some research of your own. Start with the UN.


6 posted on 02/03/2005 10:47:25 PM PST by Don W (The most inhospitable places for free inquiry today are the universities.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"United Nations dissolves USA Sovereignty"

The UN cannot even find it's way to the bathroom - let alone dissolve America's sovereignty.

I think this is a bunch of kook conspiracy theory stuff.


7 posted on 02/03/2005 10:49:20 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

One day I got a little worked up regarding land conservencies. I did an internet search and found hundreds of them. I had no idea how many there are out there. Each one of these NGOs are gobbling up land like there's no tomorrow. You know what, if we continue to allow them to do so, there won't be any tomorrow for the way of life we cherish.

I'd advise folks to tune into the things you're mentioning under Agenda 21.

Here's a link to just a few of the many conservancies out there.

Google

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=conservancy&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images


8 posted on 02/03/2005 10:49:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

If anything crazy happens, the Freepers will have enough firepower and will to secure one part of America. All I can say is that I'm not too worried with Bush around.


9 posted on 02/03/2005 10:50:05 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

cgg.ch


10 posted on 02/03/2005 10:51:17 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: CyberAnt

Kofi Annan and the UN have called for a new definition of soveriegnty and set up organizations for the purpose.


11 posted on 02/03/2005 10:52:45 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: DoughtyOne

More on conservancies...

Read this pantload...

They're spouting all the benefits of employment in the conservancies. This organization is in 27 nations and all 50 states. "They're happily networking with communities across our nation to 'preserve animal and plantlife'.

http://nature.org/careers/


12 posted on 02/03/2005 10:53:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: CyberAnt
The UN cannot even find it's way to the bathroom - let alone dissolve America's sovereignty.

Exactly.

Those clowns can't even manage a two car funeral.
13 posted on 02/03/2005 10:53:49 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: struggle

Not too worried? Read up on the FTAA.


14 posted on 02/03/2005 10:54:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Rightone

BS.


15 posted on 02/03/2005 10:55:20 PM PST by Rightone
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To: hedgetrimmer

"smart growth and its subsequent soviet bloc style housing and elimination of private automobiles for transportation"

My compliments. You gave me more information in one phrase about Agenda 21 than the author bothered to give in her entire screed. Maybe she can learn from you. First rule: Tell the reader WTF you're talking about.


16 posted on 02/03/2005 10:56:03 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: GeronL

Is this what's behind trying to get us into the World Court, trying to snooker us into the Kyoto Treaty, and proposing various world-wide taxes?


17 posted on 02/03/2005 10:58:15 PM PST by Purrcival (George W. Bush IS my president (and he is the DUmmies' President, too))
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To: GeronL

We're thumbing out noses at the whole world on this Kyoto BS and the ICC.

Why does anyone seriously believe we're gonna let ourselves become a people without arms and automobiles who live in glorified antfarms?

Conservatism is ascendent in this country. The aging watermelons in their environmental wackotanks can churn out all the "plans" they want to.

Their Soylent Green vision of the future of humanity will die with them.

Why the pessimism? We beat Fascism, Communism, and eight long years of Krinton. The U.N. is boxing above it's weight class with us. We're not Canada.


18 posted on 02/03/2005 10:59:47 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: CyberAnt
When the free trade agreements we sign with other countries include riders that state that the UN ILO is the authority for all labor law, labor claims and labor disputes in order for the treaty to be enacted, that is dissolving our sovereignty.

The problem is, for people who don't want to see the truth, they hide the truth in plain sight. Many of their documents are on the Internet and much of our federal and state agencies are implementing their plans for sustainable development, critical areas habitats, wetlands, smart growth, transportation hubs, regional government etc.

You never heard many of those terms before the UN began pushing sustainable development, because the idea behind many of them are contrary to individual rights and personal freedom. But if you don't value either, you will continue to deny the UN has power to dissolve US sovereignty. It has power because our federal government has signed treaties agreeing to it, and it is doing it.

Look at the law of the sea LOST threads on this site. Look at the Endangered species act, a law derived from a UN treaty that destroys property rights, look at smart growth in our cities, the concept coming from the AIA who got it from the United Nations conference on human habitat. Look at all the "framework agreements" on trade, environment, capacity building, infrastructure development and education. All from the UN. All designed to destroy sovereignty and put a global government to rule over all.
19 posted on 02/03/2005 11:01:01 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

cough cough hype cough cough

seriously people dont sink to the DU's level with ridiculous black helicopter style stories, that are embedded with "what ifs" and "it mights" and "it coulds" and this will "end america" at least at the moment there are to many decent americans that wouldnt let this destroy america


20 posted on 02/03/2005 11:01:34 PM PST by toledocon
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yes. WorldNetDaily columnists and quite a few others have covered Agenda 21. Enter "agenda 21" (with the quotes) in a google search to see the UN documents.

And as you see, large scale developers like Agenda 21 and its variants. They'll sneer at any warnings about it. The most recent such effort in my State was "Proposition 21," if I remember correctly (4-5 years ago?).

Anyway, such sustainable development programs will stop competition from smaller developers for a short while. False environmentalists often do local front politics for large scale developers.

The problem for large developers and their banker friends is that they will be next in line, as private properties (including shares) will altogether outlawed in the next step (as discussed by world and US architects of the overall plan). The other problem for them is their self-assurance (vanity) that the plan won't affect them, inducing them to assist with such false environmentalism.

We'll see the push against ownership of private property more clearly after the next Democrat Administration is voted into office, along with the completion of the Democrat plan to turn our government into, in effect, a one party system.


21 posted on 02/03/2005 11:02:42 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"that is dissolving our sovereignty"

NO IT'S NOT .. who told you that!

I still think this is a kook conspiracy theory - so you'll have to find someone else to argue with.


22 posted on 02/03/2005 11:06:22 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: farmfriend

ping-a-ling


23 posted on 02/03/2005 11:07:55 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: hedgetrimmer

Agenda 21 is the end of America.

Yes. I got on to it about 7 years ago and haven't had a good nights sleep since then.

Free Trade, outsourcing and insourcing are part of it. The Mexican Invasion is also part of it..and that's exactly why our politicians refuse to do anything about it.

It's better known as the NWO, but whatever you call it, you need only go to UN.org and start reading. You'll be shocked to find how much of their system is already controlling this nation. (Havn't you wondered why GWB is pushing for the Treaty of the Sea when it obviously turns our ocean borders into the hands of the UN?)

Now they're onto the social side, trying to break down middle class America via low wages, disappearing jobs, immorality and hardship. THey're brainwashing the kids via "education." They're succeeding. Massive foreign invasion is part of it is allowed specifically to destroy the middle class.

Still, few will hear. They'd rather call you names than look at the facts. The facts are readily available, but the will to see the betrayal is missing. By the time they catch on, it will be too late. It's almost too late now. The "manufactured political divide" is part of it, because the only solution is to get rid of our entrenched systems and politicians.

Frightening and predicted thousands of years ago in Bible prophecy. The good news is that more and more are catching on, but as our freedoms disappear, I fear it will be too late.


24 posted on 02/03/2005 11:10:31 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy)
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To: DoughtyOne

Did you know that the Nature Conservancy is the second largest landowner in the United States after the federal government? Did you know they accumulated their billion dollar land portfolio using money taken from US taxpayers, and that many of their lands are set aside so that taxpayers, citizens and humans are not allowed to go on them (but the VP of the Nature conservancy can stay in a former ranchers home because he's special)? Did you also know that the public/private partnership created by the federal government to give public money to private agencies is a form of fascism, and is extremely anti-American?

You probably have figured all this out by now, but others on the threat may have not.


25 posted on 02/03/2005 11:11:33 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: CyberAnt

I think the day our government gave over sovereinty to the blue helmeted, sex slaver, oil for food stealing one world gov. types, you will see a second civil war in this country. I hope never to live to see it but you'd have to have blinders on not to see this crap sandwich coming from years back.


26 posted on 02/03/2005 11:12:23 PM PST by trubluolyguy ("I like you, therefore when I rule the world, your death shall be quick and painless")
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Visioning projects are going on all over the United States to brainwash Americans into accepting smart growth and its subsequent soviet bloc style housing and elimination of private automobiles for transportation."

You're right.

27 posted on 02/03/2005 11:14:20 PM PST by spunkets
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To: familyop
with the completion of the Democrat plan to turn our government into, in effect, a one party system.

LMFAO

Really, well THAT plan sure is moving along swimmingly.

Masterful political jujitsu, that is. Let the Republicans become the dominant political party, and then.....

What? Infiltrate the GOP?
28 posted on 02/03/2005 11:14:35 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: DoughtyOne; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; hedgetrimmer; calcowgirl
You know what, if we continue to allow them to do so, there won't be any tomorrow for the way of life we cherish.

Especially when they are pushed and promoted by governors with Rs behind their names.

29 posted on 02/03/2005 11:16:00 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Oh but they can steal billions of dollars in the oil for food program, the largest corruption scandal in the history of the earth, in dollar amount, and get off scott free from any penalties because people like to claim the are so incompentent they couldn't possibly be such good thieves.

Well they very successfully caused the genocide in Rwanda to happen ( and they admit it) and that makes them too dumb to find their way to the bathroom?

They will not put a stop to the genocide in Dafur Sudan, because they are in cahoots with the communist chinese, and you say they are not capable of acting to harm the united states with sustainable development policies injected into our government system by president clinton and the President's council on sustainable development?

Do you really claim that?


30 posted on 02/03/2005 11:16:50 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Larry Lucido

Maybe I've been writing about it longer than she has.

If you want to know more, let me know.


31 posted on 02/03/2005 11:17:50 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: GeronL

So! Does that mean they have the power or the means to follow through with their "definition". I DON'T THINK SO!!

You must think America is a small fish in the UN's big pond ..?? Well .. I don't believe that for a moment and it's the UN that is just a small speck in a large barrel of dung.


32 posted on 02/03/2005 11:17:52 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

a public/private partnership for quality growth, good governance, ect...


33 posted on 02/03/2005 11:18:02 PM PST by spunkets
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To: toledocon

"seriously people dont sink to the DU's level with ridiculous black helicopter style stories,..."

The first few search hits follow. Agenda 21 efforts have been happening at the state and county level all over the USA under various front names. We beat it in the last round in my State, and I helped stop such efforts (for the time being) in my County. After they lost, cursed us loudly in County Commission meetings, took video footage of us, and threatened to sue us all, they invited more of their international and coastal friends to buy local properties to hold as "open land" until their "revolution" (their word) will be more obviously in progress.

Google search:

Results 1 - 10 of about 3,380,000 for "agenda 21"

United Nations Division for Sustainable Development - Agenda 21
Agenda 21. Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally,
nationally and locally by organizations of the United ...
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United Nations Division for Sustainable Development
Agenda 21 - Table of Contents. Chapter, Paragraphs. 1. Preamble, 1.1 - 1.6. ... 28. Local
authorities' initiatives in support of Agenda 21, 28.1 - 28.7. 29. ...
www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/ agenda21/english/agenda21toc.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages
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... Civil Society. Children and Youth. Printable Version. Agenda 21. Environment and
Development Agenda. PREAMBLE. ... LOCAL AUTHORITIES' INITIATIVES IN SUPPORT OF AGENDA ...
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34 posted on 02/03/2005 11:18:45 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Conservatism is ascendent in this country.

Nothing is forever--just ask the Democrats. What happens when Hillary becomes President? Or Feinstein? Or Obama?

And the best time to design and install impregnable, strategic obstacles in front of Agenda 12 and its ilk is when you are strong, not when you are week.

35 posted on 02/03/2005 11:20:12 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: familyop

It is not just the Democrats but Republicans also. Years back when the Repbulican party was conservative, the members call those republicans, Rockefellow Republicans. My parents warned me years ago to never vote for these people. It was a republican who donated all the land to the UN in NY.

If nothing else, some of you need to go to the UN website and read.


36 posted on 02/03/2005 11:20:39 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Frightening and predicted thousands of years ago in Bible prophecy. The good news is that more and more are catching on, but as our freedoms disappear, I fear it will be too late.

Hey, if it is coming as foretold by the Bible, and you can see it,

Guess what?

IT IS TOO LATE

Or maybe it's just time to buy better tin-foil.
37 posted on 02/03/2005 11:22:16 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Why does anyone seriously believe we're gonna let ourselves become a people without arms and automobiles who live in glorified antfarms

Pay attention now. Smart growth is happening in every city in this country. It promotes high density "ant farms" where you sign a covenant with your land lord that you will not own a car, in order to get reduced rent. You will live in a "transportation hub" in 'workforce housing" EXACTLY like the soviet workers did in the Soviet Union. Just look at any smart growth plan and you will see the same language used here. The workforce must be trained (goals 2000, no child left behind), it must have housing (smart growth high density apartments next to highrist business parks so workers don't need cars) and transportation must be public so that those pesky workers can't go where they want when they want.
38 posted on 02/03/2005 11:22:22 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: familyop

All fishermen should look out because OCEANS 21 is on its way brought to you by congressman Sam Farr from California who flies a UN flag at his washington office.


39 posted on 02/03/2005 11:23:48 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: CyberAnt

See post #24


40 posted on 02/03/2005 11:25:16 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Conservatism is ascendent in this country. The aging watermelons in their environmental wackotanks can churn out all the "plans" they want to.

So you believe but this is also pushed by Republicans. Our wonderful new governor that the party leadership just had to have instead of a real conservative, pushed and signed a bill that turned one 5th of our state into a conservancy. You may not want to believe this is happening but it is. The fact that you fly the New York flag tells me a lot. Wait until the feds alone own more than 50% of your state. It's over 60% here in CA. This is not counting state and local governments. Then you have conservancies buying up even more land or filing lawsuits like the one out in Natomas area that make it so you can't develop your property. Nothing left to do but sell it to a conservancy for a vastly reduced price. There are great articles on this published in the Washington Post, not exactly your bastion of conservatism.

41 posted on 02/03/2005 11:25:35 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: trubluolyguy

Well .. I do agree it would probably cause a civil war - and they should remember - we have the guns.

Also .. being a Christian who believes in the rapture .. I can see this happening .. but I don't believe I will be here to experience it. It's just my personal belief.


42 posted on 02/03/2005 11:26:36 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: texastoo


"If nothing else, some of you need to go to the UN website and read."

There are people here who are hired "spinners" whose purpose is to redirect opinion away from the consideration of serious threats posed by groups who want to stay very invisible.

Warfare has always included belittling sarcasm.


43 posted on 02/03/2005 11:27:31 PM PST by Spirited
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To: hedgetrimmer

I read this about the UN and US forests... http://www.abetterearth.org/article.php/796.html
back in September and had completely forgotten about it until now. I wonder if this is part of the plan.


44 posted on 02/03/2005 11:27:34 PM PST by Free2BeMe
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yes I do claim that.

The UN is a bunch of incompetent, corrupt buffoons.

Your examples of Rwanda, Sudan, and OilforFood are all sterling examples.

Agenda 21 is just another utopian UN fanstasy that will collapse under the wieght of the UN's corruption and venality.

This thread reads like a transcript from some 1990s militia shortwave radio broadcast.


45 posted on 02/03/2005 11:28:44 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Hillary's crew doesn't want to bother so much with small time landowners and low income families (nearly extinct, anyway) the next time around. They'll be after larger fish--what they call the "good ol' boys" and "good ol' girls."

Some of the Republican publishers of the '90s know exactly what I'm referring to, as do many others who were attacked with false allegations by the IRS and other offices then.

Did you bother with that Web search, yet, or is it too much effort to do so? Or is the publishing of news about the whole Agenda 21 (and related local efforts) thing against your interests?


46 posted on 02/03/2005 11:29:10 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: texastoo
Years back when the Repbulican party was conservative

Oh, you're one of those.
47 posted on 02/03/2005 11:30:12 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Heres an excerpt from the article...

"The ITTA, a U.N. measure the United States signed July 1, 1999, and accepted Nov. 14, 1996, created an organization that controls the world’s production (and consumption) of timber. The agreement, overseen and administered by the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development, labels nations as either timber producers or consumers and allots voting quotas based on levels of production versus consumption – with more voting weight granted to the former. The United States, a consumer, therefore does not possess the same ability to control - via ballot - the application of this agreement, as many of the producing nations do (e.g. Indonesia or Malaysia). "


48 posted on 02/03/2005 11:32:48 PM PST by Free2BeMe
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

"We're thumbing out noses at the whole world on this Kyoto BS and the ICC."

Environmental laws and treaties are simply Bolshevik attempts at overcoming the private property traditions found in free societies. They realized that they don't have to own it to control it.


49 posted on 02/03/2005 11:33:00 PM PST by Gum Shoe (I'm not a professional military officer, I just play one on TV.)
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To: Purrcival

you got it


50 posted on 02/03/2005 11:33:07 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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