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Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21
SierraTimes.com ^ | Feb 3, 2005 | Nancy Levant

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer

Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21 Nancy Levant

I keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting for Bill O’Reilly or Shaun Hannity or Oprah Winfrey or somebody…..anybody, who has daily access to the multitudes, to say the words, “Agenda 21.” I’m still waiting, and for the life of me, I don’t understand the refusal to talk about the greatest threat to America that has ever existed. However, it dawns on me that wrapping a brain around Agenda 21 requires time, effort, interest, and a lot diligence. No one told me about Agenda 21. I found it by accident on the Internet. Then I went to the U.N.’s website and read Agenda 21. From there I went to Buenos Aires, The President’s Commission of Sustainable Development, my local sustainable development commissions and planners, to local visioning commissions, ecology conglomerates, and then back to the U.N.. After about six months of reading about a whole lot of global, national, and philanthropic organizations, I started documenting and keeping running lists because, I discovered, Agenda 21 was huge, highly developed, and a done deal. “How is it,” I asked myself, “that in 50 years, I never heard of any of this before? Where were my trusted newscasters? And why hasn’t my President, or the previous Presidents, ever talked about Agenda 21, the meetings in Buenos Aires, and Agenda 21’s connections to the World Trade Organization, World Bank, and a thousand other global organizations?”

So, I kept researching the Net. And lo and behold, I finally realized that Agenda 21 would never be publicized to Americans. It really can’t be.

As my running lists were now becoming encyclopedic, I also realized that there was no way to explain Agenda 21 easily. It’s too big, profoundly sophisticated, intentionally masked and hidden by corporate agendas and ecological ideologies that are, themselves, exploited by corporate agendas. But more than that, I realized that for Americans to understand Agenda 21, they would have to come to terms with a truth that, I fear, they won’t believe. What would that truth be? Let me try to say it in one sentence: Agenda 21 is the end of America.

As I read that sentence I think, “Well, Nancy, now everyone is going to think you are an extremist and no one will believe anything you say from now on. Everyone knows there can be no end to America….”

But unfortunately, my dear Americans, there can be an end to America, for America is a way of life. The place on Earth - where we are – the beautiful and bountiful lands between Canada and Mexico, might retain the name of “The United States of America,” but I’m not even sure that that is a given. If you believe even half of Agenda 21 and it’s dealings with the World Trade Organization, The World Bank, The President’s Commission on Sustainable Development, The Commission on Global Governance, The World Conference on Global Governance, The Millennium Project, The Court of Criminal Justice, The Nature Conservancy, The World Summit on Sustainable Development, Smart Growth, AND the “visioning” training and manipulation of American people, then you realize what has happened right under our noses over the past 35 years and without one national personality ever mentioning Agenda 21.

So, let me offer a list of website addresses to help readers research for themselves. I suggest you take notes and collect new website addresses. I believe that, as Americans, we owe it to our history and our sense of ourselves, to do the following:

· Read Agenda 21. If you read the other information via the web addresses in this article, you will wrap your brain around Agenda 21. It’s unbelievable and it’s dastardly, because not one politician or national media outlet has had the guts to tell us what was being taken from us.

· Pass your knowledge on to others. Don’t stew and be paralyzed. Take your knowledge to churches, civic organizations, and any other groups or individuals you can, and resolve yourselves to spread the news. Have an Anti-Agenda 21 Parade or Day to draw attention to the cause. Without fail, it’s the most important thing you will ever do in your lives as patriotic people. Write to your representatives and tell them you know what they have hidden, and that their manipulations of American citizens are shameful. Do it.

· Try so very hard to home school your children. Public schools are governmental institutions embroiled in Agenda 21 and its plans for the United States and our children. As you read and study Agenda 21, you will see it alive, well, and operating most obviously in the public schools. You will also see it clearly in the newest communities in all states across the country. Agenda 21 is everywhere, and it wants your children’s intellects and value systems as well as your land and land rights.

· Finally, teach your children about Agenda 21, what it is, and what it is doing to their country. Children have unique wisdoms at every age. Teach them truths so that they can faithfully and fearlessly speak truths. They must understand what is happening in their country. They cannot fight hidden and masked manipulations if they don’t understand how and where they operate.

Now is the time for Americans to help Americans. We cannot fight the loss of our rights unless we understand the game, and most Americans are totally unaware of what is happening to them and their communities. However, I do believe that the bulk of American people “sense” that something is amiss. Let’s commit to them, our children, and our futures. Let’s spread the news and make the media and politicians talk. They have counted on our stupidity, our silence, and our laziness. They have even counted on us not really caring.

We have to remember – it’s our government. It does not belong to politicians. They work for us. Unfortunately, they have not done that, and furthermore, they have advanced a worldwide mission without our knowledge, our votes, or even our opinions. So I say, one town at a time, here we come, and any elected official found to be complicit or a silent player in the Agenda 21 game needs to go.

Agenda 21 – Learn All About It

Basic Explanation of birth of Agenda 21 http://www.johannesburgsummit.org/html/basic_info/unced.html

Timeline of development of world governance and agenda 21 http://www.sovereignty.net/timeline.html

Key players of Millennium Project http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/tf6interim.pdf

HABITAT II – U.N. Housing Requirements http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/hab2.html

Brainwashing/education http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashing.html

Global Governance – key international players http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/gganalysis.htm

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Millennium Goals Project http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.edu/about/director/

Rocky Mountain Institute http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid61.php

Sustainable Development in the United States – natural resources goals: http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/usa/natur.htm

Henry Lamb http://www.sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html

The Sustainable Development Institute http://www.susdev.org/

American Policy Center – Tom DeWeese http://americanpolicy.org/ invasive species legislation: http://americanpolicy.org/prop/main.htm the Wildlands Project, Smart Growth Project http://americanpolicy.org/un/darkside.htm

American Farmland Trust & the Nature Conservancy & OSU http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles5/rustling_america_in_ohio.htm

Human Settlements – goals http://www.nlihc.org/mahn/habitat.htm ***Education for sustainability: An Agenda Action http://www.gcrio.org/edu/pcsd/toc.html United Nations dissolves USA Sovereignty http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a33916.htm Visioning Training-How To Re-Envision People and Communities www.hhh.umn.edu/centers/rlc/comm/outcome.htm People and their organizations and schemes: http://www.southern-style.com/conspiracy_of_the_left.htm How to force visioning upon the public as quoted from the United Nation’s Agenda 21 document: http://doncasey.home.mindspring.com/vision.htm World Summit on Sustainable Development http://www.minambiente.it/Sito/settori_azione/pia/docs/forum_chairman_summary.pdf


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To: randog

So when's dinner? Heh heh heh...

D1


501 posted on 02/05/2005 1:54:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

WTF?


502 posted on 02/05/2005 2:01:47 PM PST by mowkeka
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To: hedgetrimmer

BTTT!


503 posted on 02/05/2005 2:04:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Over 5,000 have viewed your post. That is something to be proud of. I hope they choose to enlighten themselves about the wolf at America's door.

You have enlightened me, and for that I am thankful.

Keep up the good fight.

504 posted on 02/05/2005 2:07:59 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Willie Green; pbrown; All

Your points about our counties are exactly correct: they are the LAST line of defense for us (unless you count our front porches.)

An elected County Sheriff can just say No, to the feds, or any of their agents, or agencies from coming into his county - most are either unaware, or have been bought off with grants, JointTaskForces, weapons, gear, or any combination thereof.

In CT, the elected sheriff has gone away, and now the appointed post only serves as a paperwork pusher and deliverer for the system. Fedgov is working dilligently to see that this occurs across our country, one county at a time.

Like many here, I did my decades of work, paid my taxes, and trusted my government to do right...I was here with you when the abomination aka BentMember ruled the roost, and I was rightly outraged, as was every thinking or caring American, and then was seduced by the thought of all the good things that W would do to return us to our Constitutional Republic.

What a wet-dream that's turned out to be.

The information's out there for us to inform ourselves, and others, if any changes are to be made for the better.


505 posted on 02/05/2005 2:13:19 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: pbrown

Know one thing, when the blinders come off and you see the light, you can never go back...and it is very tough to give up a lot of beliefs, icons, and totems to which we've paid allegiance and trusted over many years.

But once you know the truth, that is a kind of freedom in and of itself.


506 posted on 02/05/2005 2:20:14 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; joanie-f; ForGod'sSake; Mudboy Slim; international american
"Free Trade, outsourcing and insourcing are part of it. The Mexican Invasion is also part of it..and that's exactly why our politicians refuse to do anything about it...It's better known as the NWO, but whatever you call it, you need only go to UN.org and start reading. You'll be shocked to find how much of their system is already controlling this nation. (Havn't you wondered why GWB is pushing for the Treaty of the Sea when it obviously turns our ocean borders into the hands of the UN?)...Now they're onto the social side, trying to break down middle class America via low wages, disappearing jobs, immorality and hardship. THey're brainwashing the kids via "education." They're succeeding. Massive foreign invasion is part of it is allowed specifically to destroy the middle class."

Normally I'd have been the first one to say you're stark raving mad if I hadn't been watching the weird crap that's been going for the past few decades & wondering WTF's going on.

Those who're afraid to admit this "Agenda 21" stuff is real, being executed and all around us then?
They're the ones who're "mad".

In fact?

...they're stark raving mad.

507 posted on 02/05/2005 2:21:41 PM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: lodwick
In my wildest dreams I never would have dreamt that such a sinister conglomerate known as the UN could have sunk hits hooks so deeply into the fabric of American society....and are seemingly getting away with it.

If their one world government is pulled off, we American citizens of today have let down our ancestors dream for this country.

Our love of country, freedom and religion will become a footnote in history books. With all the revisionist-history that is going on now, we will be considered just urban legend.

I have many questions for my elected officials, and I intend to ask them.

Our front porch has a very wide open view....lol

508 posted on 02/05/2005 2:35:56 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: lodwick
In my wildest dreams I never would have dreamt that such a sinister conglomerate known as the UN could have sunk hits hooks so deeply into the fabric of American society....and are seemingly getting away with it.

If their one world government is pulled off, we American citizens of today have let down our ancestors dream for this country.

Our love of country, freedom and religion will become a footnote in history books. With all the revisionist-history that is going on now, we will be considered just urban legend.

I have many questions for my elected officials, and I intend to ask them.

Our front porch has a very wide open view....lol

509 posted on 02/05/2005 2:36:47 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: All

sorry about dp.


510 posted on 02/05/2005 2:38:43 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: lodwick
I too thought my government would watch over my rights as an American citizen. It never occured to me that some of them would be doing the exact opposite of protecting those rights.

But like you said, I can never go back to where I was. I know what is taking place now. The truth shall set you free.

511 posted on 02/05/2005 2:42:53 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Landru

The daily flood of illiterate low life illegals over our borders is enough to give credence to this agenda. Look at the pictures of them when they are caught.....grabbing their crotches, and giving us the finger. We are getting the finger that is for sure....from our leaders in Washington!


512 posted on 02/05/2005 2:53:27 PM PST by international american (Tagline wanted.......must be fireproof.........will pay cash.)
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To: DoughtyOne
And I will be happy to join you in that effort

Oh God. We are agreeing again. Don't tell anyone OK?

513 posted on 02/05/2005 3:09:49 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: farmfriend

Hey everybody...

LOL

Take care.


D1


514 posted on 02/05/2005 3:17:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: pbrown

Those words and sentiments bear repeating.


515 posted on 02/05/2005 3:19:15 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: lodwick

Thank you.


516 posted on 02/05/2005 3:24:39 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Thanks for the heads up.


517 posted on 02/05/2005 3:27:44 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: lodwick
Here's a little of what L.O.S.T. will cost Americans, should it be ratified. It has the backing of both President Bush and Condi Rice.

Commented Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy: "This accord would constitute the most egregious transfer of American sovereignty, wealth and power to the U.N. since the founding of that 'world body.' In fact, never before in the history of the world has any nation voluntarily engaged in such a sweeping transfer to anyone."

518 posted on 02/05/2005 3:37:20 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer
I have no idea what you are talking about
so here is an invisible bunny with Mel Gibson on it's head:
519 posted on 02/05/2005 3:39:17 PM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: Landru; GeorgeW23225; GottaLuvAkitas1; Flora McDonald; iceskater; jla; FBD; uncleshag; dirtboy
"Those who're afraid to admit this "Agenda 21" stuff is real, being executed and all around us then? They're the ones who're "mad"."

Yeah...didn't I tell ya, I invented Agenda 21 when I has third year at UVA ('84)...my master plan is coming along nicely, don'tcha think?!

MUD

520 posted on 02/05/2005 3:49:18 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (INDICT Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: pbrown

The other thing it would give the UN is permanent funding.

No longer would they have to look to "donations" from member nations to carry out whatever the scam du jour might be.

They would be able to tax any and every activity in the salt waters of the world, from shipping, to cruising, to mineral, metal, and oil explorations...use your imagination as to what all they would control.

Anyone who would promote this lunacy should be denounced as a traitor to his country - whatever country it be.

If you can listen to internet radio, may I suggest rbnlive.com and gcnlive.com for information you will not hear on the MSM type stations.

Evening, cheers. Time to fire off the grill and burn something.


521 posted on 02/05/2005 4:05:17 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Yeah...didn't I tell ya, I invented Agenda 21 when I has third year at UVA ('84)...my master plan is coming along nicely, don'tcha think?!

How did you fit in developing a master plan for world domination amidst all that drinking?

522 posted on 02/05/2005 4:09:45 PM PST by dirtboy (Tagloin down for oil change and lube because it was squeaking)
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To: lodwick

Evenin' burn 'em good.


523 posted on 02/05/2005 4:11:44 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: dirtboy
Drinking is paramount to working up a good plan to take over the world...that and watching a lotta cartoons!!

FReegards...MUD

524 posted on 02/05/2005 4:12:12 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (INDICT Osama bil Clinton!!)
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Agenda 21 bookmark.


525 posted on 02/05/2005 4:15:00 PM PST by JockoManning (www.biblegateway.com)
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To: All
Action Alert: Law of the Sea Treaty

January 27, 2005

Now that the elections are over, the politicians and special interests in Washington will feel free to do what they want -- ignore public opinion -- unless we convince them otherwise.

Senator Richard Lugar, chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, wants the U.S. Senate to ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) as soon as possible. Lobbyists representing multi-national corporations are busy convincing U.S. senators to vote in favor of LOST, and well-funded think tanks are holding briefings to marshal support for ratification.

Let's remember that over 20 years ago President Reagan opposed LOST. So what has changed since then? The treaty is the same. What has changed are the politicians who are now in power, and we must convince them to reject LOST.

Frank Gaffney writes, "It [LOST] was drafted more than 20 years ago at the behest of Soviet Bloc and 'nonaligned' nations as the centerpiece of their so-called 'New International Economic Order,' a scheme to transfer wealth from the industralized to the developing world.

"Ronald Reagan objected to LOST's creation of a supranational agency to govern the world's oceans at the expense of U.S. sovereignty...."

Last year, supporters of LOST tried to quietly get the treaty ratified. They were confident they could. But word got out and Americans throughout the country said "NO!" This sudden outburst of opposition caught the pro-LOST folks by surprise. They decided then, in that election year, to hold back and try again early this year.

And that is exactly what they are doing now...working to get LOST ratified once and for all.

We expect the Senate to vote on ratification of LOST within the next 60 days, maybe sooner. We must, once again, rally opposition and do so quickly.

Urge your two U.S. senators to vote against ratification of LOST. In addition, please spread the word. We will need all the help we can get this time around.

Send Your Message http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=6868141&type=CO

Background on LOST http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/lost.htm

Thank you for your help!

526 posted on 02/05/2005 4:21:51 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Paul_Denton; Kay Ludlow

Kay Ludlow could you let Paul_Denton know how you helped control the open space project in your community? You sent me some great information.

Also, tell us a bit about TakeBackPennsylvania, if you don't mind. I think folks here might like to know about it.


527 posted on 02/05/2005 5:22:23 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: humblegunner

In 519 posts you can't figure out what this thread is about?

Lets start with the simple stuff. Ask me a legitimate question and I will try to answer it for you.


528 posted on 02/05/2005 5:27:10 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: sauropod
I see from the keywords that some FReepers...have small brains and refuse to learn.

Thanks for the ping 'pod. I hope you and yours are well.

I checked out the keywords added by the booboise.

Unbelievable. This is happening right under our noses but if Faux News and Clinton News Network don't report on it must be conspiracy theory.

For all of those who discount this article and Agenda 21 here is a starting point for your education. Buy the books and read them:

"Our Global Neighborhood" (the Report of the UN Commission on Global Governance), Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-8277998-1.

"Sustainable America - a New Concensus" (the Report of the President's Council on Sustainable Development), U.S. Govt Printing Office, ISBN 0-16-048529-0.

529 posted on 02/05/2005 5:28:56 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: pbrown; hedgetrimmer
Over 5,000 have viewed your post. That is something to be proud of. I hope they choose to enlighten themselves about the wolf at America's door. You have enlightened me, and for that I am thankful. Keep up the good fight.

You have enlightened me too. Thanks. I will tell my friends about it and show them as well.

530 posted on 02/05/2005 6:22:00 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton; everyone
Dust in the Wind - Kansas
531 posted on 02/05/2005 6:38:27 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: lodwick

I don't have real player, I have media player. I can't get it to work.


532 posted on 02/05/2005 6:54:49 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Paul_Denton
Take Back Pennsylvania (TBPA) is a relatively new group modeled on Take Back Kentucky. TBKY has been very successful in rolling back a variety of state government excesses and protecting the individual rights (including property rights) of their citizens. TBPA is focusing on property rights and taxes right now, with 2nd amendment rights in mind also. http://www.takebackpennsylvania.com/ and http://www.takebackkentucky.com/ will give you an idea what they are about. It is hoped that as time goes by, enough of these state oriented groups (which are coalition groups themselves) form and join forces to be able to impact issues at the national level.

As far as our efforts in our own community, part of our county has had a regional coalition of governments for about 30 years. While that has helped to maintain adequate policing and such, it's also been a hotbed of activist planning. Among the many projects over the last few years was the Greenways Plan. This was actually funded at the county level with about $250,000 of state and federal grant money (your tax dollars at work). They paid a consultant to form a Greenways Committee to develop a Greenways Plan (PA is requiring all counties to have one). Unfortunately for them, they put a public trail on their map through my mountain land, right where I plan to build my house. That was a bad thing to do!

While we had always been moderately active in going to public meetings and speaking out against the more controlling things, this got us in high gear. We went to the greenway committee meetings and asked when they planned to inform the property owners of the planned public trails on their land (we stumbled across the map on public access tv); we read the written plan and voiced our objections to the language. They said they had a committee of stakeholders, but none were property owners in areas where the planned greenways were. Many were already associated with local government; others represented local environmental and recreational groups (the kayakers were very interested in getting public access to all the creek banks)and many more were with the consultants. Out of the 40-50 people who attended these meetings over time, only 5-10 were not in one of the above mentioned groups - mostly they were real property owners who would be impacted.

We were told repeatedly not to be concerned, as it was just a plan. Yet, in the written details, the consultants had included use of eminent domain in the end to connect the pieces of the greenways together. We took action by posting information on our local website, on public bulletin boards, contacting other mountaintop property owners who would be effected, calling local radio shows, calling and writing the County Commissioners. We also helped other people write letters to the county - many people are willing to send letters, but are not confident in their letter writing skills ;-)

The result of our efforts were that while a greenways plan was accepted by the county government, the teeth were out of it. The trail on the mountaintop (which was 100% across private property, even the the mountaintops on the other side of the valley were already public and had no trail on them) was removed, the most offensive language was taken out of the plan, and a section was added stating that eminent domain would never be used to implement it.

Because of the way PA structures government at the local level, the county would approve the plan and guide the municipalities but the municipalities would have to actually implement it. Even with the few people we had involved in actively opposing it, the calls, letters and hubbub apparently put the fear of god in the elected officials. The municipalities not only haven't acted on the greenways plan, when the eco-activists suggest that something be implemented, the local officials say they don't even want to talk about greenways - they don't want to get that hornets nest stirred up again.

What we found is that local government is so accustomed to doing what they want with little input from average citizens, that it only takes a few citizens being outspoken and adamant to scare them off. We were polite, but insisted that private property should not be taken, or even planned, to be used for public use (or environmental use, as some of the greenways were for environmental corridors) without the consent of the property owners, and that the property owners should be notified of the planning process! They really didn't want people to know till it was all said and done, but we took care of that ;-) Another important thing to be aware of is what some of these things really are. "Visioning" projects are about taking the ideas of the small number of people (usually activists) and making them into 5, 10 and 20 year plans. Wasn't that the Soviet way? Committees making long term plans for everyone? Also, watershed planning is specifically intended to transcend the bounds of local government using something most people care about (clean safe water) to set up a group that has higher authority than the uncooperative local governments to plan our communities so the water is protected. Insidious, eh?
533 posted on 02/05/2005 7:31:51 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Kay Ludlow; All

Thanks so much for your story. Everyone, the levithian can be stopped! Take heart!


534 posted on 02/05/2005 7:54:42 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Kay Ludlow

We need a TBUS (Take Back the United States). Glad to hear there are such groups though. And glad you were sucessfull in preventing this mountain trail from suceeding!


535 posted on 02/05/2005 8:24:35 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton

Thanks. Maybe TBUS will be next on the agenda! After we have enough state groups, of course ;-)


536 posted on 02/05/2005 8:32:36 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Kay Ludlow

I hope so :)


537 posted on 02/05/2005 8:33:41 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Paul_Denton

bump


538 posted on 02/05/2005 8:37:47 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Kay Ludlow; sauropod; DoughtyOne; sport; B4Ranch; farmfriend; Paul_Denton; All

sign me up. This is an inspired idea!


539 posted on 02/05/2005 8:38:31 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Kay Ludlow; hedgetrimmer

Thanks for the comments Kay. I'd like to come on board this type of effort myself.


540 posted on 02/05/2005 8:42:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Thank you. I will remember that.


541 posted on 02/05/2005 8:54:53 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: RonPaulLives

self-ping for future reference; great thread on truth.


542 posted on 02/05/2005 9:07:28 PM PST by RonPaulLives (Never trust anything ending in "u." For example, "DU," "EU," "I love you")
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To: Kay Ludlow
Take Back Pennsylvania (TBPA) is a relatively new group modeled on Take Back Kentucky. TBKY has been very successful in rolling back a variety of state government excesses and protecting the individual rights (including property rights) of their citizens.

My ears were ringing! Howdy; I attend the regular meetings of Take Back Kentucky. Norm Davis is a friend of mine.

543 posted on 02/05/2005 9:11:06 PM PST by RonPaulLives (Never trust anything ending in "u." For example, "DU," "EU," "I love you")
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
>"Conservatism is ascendent in this country."<

- I don't know...with a 2.7 trillion dollar federal budget, and a huge deficit, the Republicans in Congress don't even have the stones to stop funding the National Endowment for the Arts or PeeB.S.


>"The aging watermelons in their environmental wackotanks can churn out all the "plans" they want to."<

- Do a google search on World Heritage Sites and our National Parks:

At present, there are 15 U.N.ESCO World Heritage Sites that are also units of our National Park Service. They are listed below, along with the years in which the properties were established as World Heritage sites.

Carlsbad Caverns National Park (1995)

Chaco Culture National Historical Park (1987)

Everglades National Park (1979)

Grand Canyon National Park (1979)

Great Smoky Mountains National Park (1983)

Hawaii Volcanoes National Park (1987)
(International Biosphere Reserve and World Heritage Site)

Independence National Historical Park (1979)

Mammoth Cave National Park (1981)

Mesa Verde National Park (1978)

Olympic National Park (1981)

Pueblo de Taos (1992)

Redwood National Park (1980)

San Juan National Historic Site (1983)

Statue of Liberty National Monument and Ellis Island (1984)

Yellowstone National Park (1978)

Yosemite National Park (1984)

544 posted on 02/05/2005 9:26:28 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mudboy Slim

>"Yeah...didn't I tell ya, I invented Agenda 21 when I has third year at UVA "<

- {G}!


545 posted on 02/05/2005 9:28:29 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: hedgetrimmer; All

One of the ploys I have heard rumors of in Missouri is that some rural countys do not have the financial resources to operate county government. (Salaries are mandated by the state for county officials). So if the county cannot afford to operate the courthouse, we will build a new "regional" court house so as to pool the resources and still be able to provide "services".
And along with that a regional jail etc.

Centralization of government is a dangerous trend. As your post points out, regional planning alliances are good ideas in the eyes of county officials who are strapped for cash.

Another trend. Rural schools are consolidated because tax levys are too high to keep small rural schools in operation. Of course, teachers salarys are mandated by the state also. So small districts have to pay city scale in many cases to compete for teachers. So much for budgets.

So look at the problem from this angle. The state mandates county officials salarys and teachers salarys. When districts or countys cannot perform to state imposed standards, the state takes over one segment at a time. Local government and local school boards lose control.
The people lose control over cirriculum. They lose local law enforcement and they lose judges. Road maintainance falls behind. People have to travel further to pay taxes or attend public hearings. Elected officials are no longer in your neighborhood, or your community. Some officials are appointed by political affiliation.

Regional government is dangerous. Keep in mind most of the financial problems in countys are imposed unfunded mandates by the state. Mandates are usually slipped into a large appropriations bill after a makeshift hearing is held. Strange thing is that when makeshift hearings are conducted, the people who are in favor of the mandate always seem to get a few representitives to the hearing, but for some reason the press never made it known the hearing was to take place.

It is especially good to watch certain state committees, especially appropriations, education, and social services.
It is not hard to find the committee hearing schedules.
It is not hard to find drafts of proposed legislation either. But the fine print will make your eyes blur.
That is it's intended purpose. Usually the kicker is the one sentence or a phrase that makes all the difference.


546 posted on 02/05/2005 9:37:48 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: o_zarkman44; SierraWasp; forester; Seadog Bytes; farmfriend; Kay Ludlow; sport; DoughtyOne; ...
One of the ploys I have heard rumors of in Missouri is that some rural county's do not have the financial resources to operate county government. (Salaries are mandated by the state for county officials). So if the county cannot afford to operate the courthouse, we will build a new "regional" court house so as to pool the resources and still be able to provide "services".

This is one of the primary reasons Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger created the Sierra Nevada Conservancy, which created a council to oversee the economic use of natural resources on private property among other things. Now many of the 20 counties in the conservancy are owned up to 90% by state and federal governments. Those counties are guaranteed to be bankrupt by unelected councils regulating the few remaining acres of private property.

You are exactly right that regional governments intend to bust county governments so they can be easily incorporated into the "regional framework".

Thanks for your real world example of the dangers of regionalism, and I hope others see this and learn.
547 posted on 02/05/2005 9:53:25 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Kay Ludlow; Paul_Denton; hedgetrimmer; pbrown
I am suggesting that we come up with a different name or title for the effort to bring back the America we all love, because the words "Take Back" are being used by the right and wrong people, IMHO

This one is a Christian 'religous' petition; Take America Back

This is an article. How To Take Back America

This is a magazine Take Back America

This is a group with Progressives(communists),liberals, James Dean, Jesse Jackson and his ilk. Take Back America Conference in 2004

548 posted on 02/05/2005 10:06:40 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

I see your point.


549 posted on 02/05/2005 10:21:34 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: B4Ranch
United For America's Future?

Just throw something out....

550 posted on 02/05/2005 10:33:10 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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