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Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21
SierraTimes.com ^ | Feb 3, 2005 | Nancy Levant

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer

Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21 Nancy Levant

I keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting for Bill O’Reilly or Shaun Hannity or Oprah Winfrey or somebody…..anybody, who has daily access to the multitudes, to say the words, “Agenda 21.” I’m still waiting, and for the life of me, I don’t understand the refusal to talk about the greatest threat to America that has ever existed. However, it dawns on me that wrapping a brain around Agenda 21 requires time, effort, interest, and a lot diligence. No one told me about Agenda 21. I found it by accident on the Internet. Then I went to the U.N.’s website and read Agenda 21. From there I went to Buenos Aires, The President’s Commission of Sustainable Development, my local sustainable development commissions and planners, to local visioning commissions, ecology conglomerates, and then back to the U.N.. After about six months of reading about a whole lot of global, national, and philanthropic organizations, I started documenting and keeping running lists because, I discovered, Agenda 21 was huge, highly developed, and a done deal. “How is it,” I asked myself, “that in 50 years, I never heard of any of this before? Where were my trusted newscasters? And why hasn’t my President, or the previous Presidents, ever talked about Agenda 21, the meetings in Buenos Aires, and Agenda 21’s connections to the World Trade Organization, World Bank, and a thousand other global organizations?”

So, I kept researching the Net. And lo and behold, I finally realized that Agenda 21 would never be publicized to Americans. It really can’t be.

As my running lists were now becoming encyclopedic, I also realized that there was no way to explain Agenda 21 easily. It’s too big, profoundly sophisticated, intentionally masked and hidden by corporate agendas and ecological ideologies that are, themselves, exploited by corporate agendas. But more than that, I realized that for Americans to understand Agenda 21, they would have to come to terms with a truth that, I fear, they won’t believe. What would that truth be? Let me try to say it in one sentence: Agenda 21 is the end of America.

As I read that sentence I think, “Well, Nancy, now everyone is going to think you are an extremist and no one will believe anything you say from now on. Everyone knows there can be no end to America….”

But unfortunately, my dear Americans, there can be an end to America, for America is a way of life. The place on Earth - where we are – the beautiful and bountiful lands between Canada and Mexico, might retain the name of “The United States of America,” but I’m not even sure that that is a given. If you believe even half of Agenda 21 and it’s dealings with the World Trade Organization, The World Bank, The President’s Commission on Sustainable Development, The Commission on Global Governance, The World Conference on Global Governance, The Millennium Project, The Court of Criminal Justice, The Nature Conservancy, The World Summit on Sustainable Development, Smart Growth, AND the “visioning” training and manipulation of American people, then you realize what has happened right under our noses over the past 35 years and without one national personality ever mentioning Agenda 21.

So, let me offer a list of website addresses to help readers research for themselves. I suggest you take notes and collect new website addresses. I believe that, as Americans, we owe it to our history and our sense of ourselves, to do the following:

· Read Agenda 21. If you read the other information via the web addresses in this article, you will wrap your brain around Agenda 21. It’s unbelievable and it’s dastardly, because not one politician or national media outlet has had the guts to tell us what was being taken from us.

· Pass your knowledge on to others. Don’t stew and be paralyzed. Take your knowledge to churches, civic organizations, and any other groups or individuals you can, and resolve yourselves to spread the news. Have an Anti-Agenda 21 Parade or Day to draw attention to the cause. Without fail, it’s the most important thing you will ever do in your lives as patriotic people. Write to your representatives and tell them you know what they have hidden, and that their manipulations of American citizens are shameful. Do it.

· Try so very hard to home school your children. Public schools are governmental institutions embroiled in Agenda 21 and its plans for the United States and our children. As you read and study Agenda 21, you will see it alive, well, and operating most obviously in the public schools. You will also see it clearly in the newest communities in all states across the country. Agenda 21 is everywhere, and it wants your children’s intellects and value systems as well as your land and land rights.

· Finally, teach your children about Agenda 21, what it is, and what it is doing to their country. Children have unique wisdoms at every age. Teach them truths so that they can faithfully and fearlessly speak truths. They must understand what is happening in their country. They cannot fight hidden and masked manipulations if they don’t understand how and where they operate.

Now is the time for Americans to help Americans. We cannot fight the loss of our rights unless we understand the game, and most Americans are totally unaware of what is happening to them and their communities. However, I do believe that the bulk of American people “sense” that something is amiss. Let’s commit to them, our children, and our futures. Let’s spread the news and make the media and politicians talk. They have counted on our stupidity, our silence, and our laziness. They have even counted on us not really caring.

We have to remember – it’s our government. It does not belong to politicians. They work for us. Unfortunately, they have not done that, and furthermore, they have advanced a worldwide mission without our knowledge, our votes, or even our opinions. So I say, one town at a time, here we come, and any elected official found to be complicit or a silent player in the Agenda 21 game needs to go.

Agenda 21 – Learn All About It

Basic Explanation of birth of Agenda 21 http://www.johannesburgsummit.org/html/basic_info/unced.html

Timeline of development of world governance and agenda 21 http://www.sovereignty.net/timeline.html

Key players of Millennium Project http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/tf6interim.pdf

HABITAT II – U.N. Housing Requirements http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/hab2.html

Brainwashing/education http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashing.html

Global Governance – key international players http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/gganalysis.htm

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Millennium Goals Project http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.edu/about/director/

Rocky Mountain Institute http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid61.php

Sustainable Development in the United States – natural resources goals: http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/usa/natur.htm

Henry Lamb http://www.sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html

The Sustainable Development Institute http://www.susdev.org/

American Policy Center – Tom DeWeese http://americanpolicy.org/ invasive species legislation: http://americanpolicy.org/prop/main.htm the Wildlands Project, Smart Growth Project http://americanpolicy.org/un/darkside.htm

American Farmland Trust & the Nature Conservancy & OSU http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles5/rustling_america_in_ohio.htm

Human Settlements – goals http://www.nlihc.org/mahn/habitat.htm ***Education for sustainability: An Agenda Action http://www.gcrio.org/edu/pcsd/toc.html United Nations dissolves USA Sovereignty http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a33916.htm Visioning Training-How To Re-Envision People and Communities www.hhh.umn.edu/centers/rlc/comm/outcome.htm People and their organizations and schemes: http://www.southern-style.com/conspiracy_of_the_left.htm How to force visioning upon the public as quoted from the United Nation’s Agenda 21 document: http://doncasey.home.mindspring.com/vision.htm World Summit on Sustainable Development http://www.minambiente.it/Sito/settori_azione/pia/docs/forum_chairman_summary.pdf


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To: pbrown
What a pittance joke Homeland Security is...with the borders still wide open, we must realize that all the Patriot Acts are meant for you and me - it has zero to do with the "terriers."

Exerpted from the Asia Times, 2 Feb 05:

The Homeland Security State

Asia Times | February 2, 2005
By Nick Turse

THE MILITARY HALF
If you're in the United States and reading this on the Internet, the Federal Bureau of Information (FBI)may be spying on you at this very moment.

Under provisions of the USA Patriot (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) Act, the Department of Justice has been collecting e-mail and IP (Internet protocol, a computer's unique numeric identifier) addresses, without a warrant, using trap-and-trace surveillance devices ("pen-traps"). Now, the FBI, Justice's principle investigative arm, may be monitoring the web-surfing habits of Internet users - also without a search warrant - that is, spying on you with no probable cause whatsoever.

In the wake of September 11, 2001, with the announcement of a potentially never-ending "war on terror" and in the name of "national security", the administration of President George W Bush embarked on a global campaign that left behind it two war-ravaged states (with up to 100,000 civilian dead in just one of them); an offshore "archipelago of injustice" replete with "ghost jails", and a seemingly endless series of cases of torture, abuse and the cold-blooded murder of prisoners. That was abroad. In the US, too, things have changed as America became "the Homeland" and an already powerful and bloated national security state developed a civilian corollary fed by fear-mongering, partisan politics, and an insatiable desire for governmental power, turf and budget.

A host of disturbing and mutually reinforcing patterns have emerged in the resulting new Homeland Security State - among them: a virtually unopposed increase in the intrusion of military, intelligence, and "security" agencies into the civilian sector of US society; federal-government abridgment of basic rights; denials of civil liberties on flimsy or previously illegal premises; warrantless sneak-and-peak searches; the wholesale undermining of privacy safeguards (including government access to library circulation records, bank records, and records of Internet activity); the greater empowerment of secret intelligence courts (such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court) that threaten civil liberties; and heavy-handed federal and local law-enforcement tactics designed to chill, squelch, or silence dissent.

While it's true that most Americans have yet to feel the brunt of such policies, select groups, including Muslims, Arab immigrants, Arab-Americans and anti-war protesters have served as test subjects for a potential Homeland Security juggernaut that, if not stopped, will only expand....

601 posted on 02/06/2005 9:28:13 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: lodwick
If Homeland Security had teeth, Pelosi, fat Teddy, sKerry and all the rest of the rats would be in jail for all the anti-American crap they spew. Freedom of speech is one thing, giving aid and encouragement to our enemies during a time of war is something else.

I was watching a documentary last night about intelligence. The F.B.I. was handed information about Mossouie(spel?)> They wanted a search warrant to search his home and computer. The search warrant was turned down by a judge who said there wasn't enough evidence to obtain one.

Imagine how different a day 9-11 would be if they had gotten that warrant.

Let them snoop on my IP, if it can stop terrorist by doing so, so be it.

602 posted on 02/06/2005 9:48:42 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Do a search on Sibel Edmonds, a former translator for the feds, if you want to get boiling angry this afternoon.


603 posted on 02/06/2005 9:56:22 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: cgbg
>>Agenda 21 can only be permanently stopped if the UN is abolished. Anything less is just window-dressing to keep the peasants happy and quiet.<<

"You don't kill spiders by crushing a couple of their legs, you have to crush their head to make sure they'll die. The UN is guiding all of these other communist agencies ......." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1335656/posts?page=302#302

We need to kill America's participation in the UN and the UN's participation in how the American legislative process funtions if we expect to ever regain what we once had..... well deserved national pride.

Going after these groups that support land grabs probably is a waste of time, money and effort.

I will support killing the UN 150%, with cash, time and certainly a much more concerted effort than mt wife will appreciate. Just being better than the other guy isn't my goal. I want America's REPUBLIC to glow as the sole light of example in the worlds skies.

604 posted on 02/06/2005 9:57:32 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: lodwick

Thanks, I'll do it now..bbl


605 posted on 02/06/2005 9:59:25 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: B4Ranch
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606 posted on 02/06/2005 10:14:41 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: Fzob
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607 posted on 02/06/2005 10:17:18 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: lodwick

I found Sibel Edmonds......it's in another language. All I could make out was 'whistle blower' that was it.


608 posted on 02/06/2005 10:35:56 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: B4Ranch

All the usual suspects. It makes me want to spit.


609 posted on 02/06/2005 10:38:29 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown; All
Sibel Edmonds and other 911 information
610 posted on 02/06/2005 10:41:51 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: lodwick
I'll use everything from an
to fancy some mid air shooting

because
is the only way to go about protecting our Lady.

611 posted on 02/06/2005 10:45:47 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: lodwick

Thanks, I'll have a look.


612 posted on 02/06/2005 11:04:10 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: B4Ranch

I think the Statue of Liberty is safely in the hands of the Hertiage Foundation = UN = Agenda 21....as is the Liberty Bell.


613 posted on 02/06/2005 11:06:38 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free -- Ronald Reagan
614 posted on 02/06/2005 11:27:32 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: lodwick

So as not to hijack this wonderful thread......you have FReepmail.


615 posted on 02/06/2005 11:43:02 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: B4Ranch
Truer words were never spoken.

Reagan saw what treaties such as the L.O.S.T. would do to our country. L.O.S.T. is merely an extention of Agenda 21. They are all linked to handing over control of this country to the UN.

616 posted on 02/06/2005 11:46:19 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: lodwick
This thread is losing it's popularity.

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."

- Edward R. Murrow

"In this administration, you don't have to wear a turban or speak Farsi to be an enemy of the United States. All you have to do is disagree with the president."

- White House aide quoted in Capitol Hill Blue, June 4

When I write a column on an issue about which folks hold passionate views, I get a lot of feedback. Most of the feedback is usually from readers who are supportive of my perspective; some is from those who disagree. And of course, I welcome both. The right to freely express our opinions is one of the things that makes America great.

After my May 29 column featuring Sgt. Jimmy Massey telling of his experiences in Iraq, in addition to the kudos and messages of support for Massey's courageous stand, I got some e-mail messages from readers ardently taking issue with my column. Several of them asked: "Would you rather fight them over there or over here?" Whether they knew it or not, these readers were setting up what is known as a "false dilemma," providing a limited number of options (usually two), when there are actually more than that, in this case dozens, perhaps hundreds more. Fighting them over there and over here for one. Fighting them neither place for another. And it would be helpful to know who "them" is. Another famous example of a false dilemma is President Bush's statement "You're either with us or with the terrorists." Again, many more possibilities exist here than the "either/or" option put forward by Bush.

Another question that was posed by a reader after my last column: "Why do you hate George Bush?" Indeed, it seems that if you disagree with any decision made by George W. Bush, you open yourself to the accusation of Bush-bashing. Former President Teddy Roosevelt had this to say about those who believe we should march lock step with the president: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

http://cgi.citizen-times.com/cgi-bin/story/columnist/56453? storytemplate=columnist

617 posted on 02/06/2005 11:50:17 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
>>but I just think there is no reason to believe something like this will ultimately be successful..<<

If we don't stand up and show our rifles they will be successful. We must let them know that this is our country and we are the worlds worst terrorists when it comes to protecting our home.

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

618 posted on 02/06/2005 11:55:25 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

Looks to me like a few different states are represented in this post. Lets brainstorm ways we can work together on this issue.


619 posted on 02/06/2005 12:01:52 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: B4Ranch
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

I like that. It says all that needs to be said.

620 posted on 02/06/2005 12:03:25 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Sounds like a plan to me.


621 posted on 02/06/2005 12:04:54 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

I think the Statue of Liberty is safely in the hands of the Hertiage Foundation = UN = Agenda 21....as is the Liberty Bell.

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lol - exactly.


622 posted on 02/06/2005 12:37:52 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: sergeantdave

tx for the info.

regards


623 posted on 02/06/2005 12:40:12 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: lodwick

Thanks :-)


624 posted on 02/06/2005 12:50:15 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Spirited

Ahhh, If you have anything detrimental to say you must be part of the conspiracy, right?


Ohhhh. This is a fun game.


625 posted on 02/06/2005 12:54:00 PM PST by Triggerhippie
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To: hedgetrimmer

Clock it. Dime of Death...


DU insanity has infected the FreeRepublic Blog.

You really are doing the liberals a great service by posting this insane crap here. Thanks a pantload, Chet.


626 posted on 02/06/2005 12:56:46 PM PST by Triggerhippie
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To: Triggerhippie

"There are none so blind as those who will not see".


627 posted on 02/06/2005 1:06:50 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Sorry to bother you again, but posters like TriggerHippie will make me bring more and more to this thread.

Wake up and look around you, TH.

Are you really that dense?

Good grief.


628 posted on 02/06/2005 1:08:35 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: lodwick
You're not bothering me at all.

Post # 43 hit the nail on the head. It appears there are spinners here.

629 posted on 02/06/2005 1:11:41 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: lodwick
I just looked, trigger and I signed up on the same day.

What a difference in our ideals. I don't recall seeing their name on any other post, do you?

630 posted on 02/06/2005 1:15:06 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Triggerhippie; lodwick; pbrown; Kay Ludlow; B4Ranch

I can name the names of the people who wrote this local version of the UN plan. Are you saying they don't exist?

The insanity is pretending this stuff doesn't exist and if you have read any of the posts on this thread you will see ample evidence. Or is it that you're afraid that the American people might wake up to the harm the UN and Agenda 21 causes to our liberty and reject its influence? I dare you to find a state or county goverment that isn't infected with this stuff and show it to everyone here on this forum.

http://www.freedom21santacruz.net/A21SC/


631 posted on 02/06/2005 1:21:30 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

I dare you to find a state or county goverment that isn't infected with this stuff and show it to everyone here on this forum.
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It could not be done in the State of Texas, County of Travis, OR, the People's Republic of Austin, for dang sure.

The sad thing is, that with the power of the internet, even the most in denial among us could find the information, and inform themselves about what is going on right in their own back yards - but instead, they just blast out criticisms of those who are trying to get our country back.


632 posted on 02/06/2005 1:35:45 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: lodwick; pbrown

Here's a radio interview about Sibel Edmonds where Fintan Dunne, editor of Break for News, discusses the Sibel Edmonds travesty.

http://www.4acloserlook.com/july2004.html


633 posted on 02/06/2005 1:47:58 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: lodwick; hedgetrimmer
I just looked at triggers past post. Apparently he is a one or two comment poster. He never gets into debates. Is belligerent in what few comments he post.

With some people they don't want to see certain things, they are happy in their naivete.

Pay him no never mind.

634 posted on 02/06/2005 1:50:16 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: lodwick

PS......He took the 'Blue Pill'. lolol


635 posted on 02/06/2005 2:09:05 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: lodwick
Travis county you say?

Southwest Travis County Growth Dialog Process

Draft Vision Statement Consensus January 6, 2005


In twenty years Southwestern Travis County will be a thriving community known for its economic diversity and for its stewardship initiatives to conserve the area’s historic hill country character, natural beauty and environmental quality.

The community features open space and natural areas as a logical component of development that add economic value, assure the quality of life for all residents and, protect critical water and rural resources. In addition to public parkland and a trails system, substantial land has been voluntarily and permanently protected as ranchland, nature preserves or public open space in order to protect the area’s historic rural character, view sheds and environmental quality.

Development in the area has a hill country flavor through adherence to a thoughtful set of community guidelines that favor native materials and vegetation, wide setbacks for highways and major roadways, and desirable neighborhoods of homes, schools and business that blend into the landscape and are developed to conserve the surrounding ranch and open space lands. While the area’s overall development density is low, community “Town Centers”have been developed that are the area’s primary business and employment centers. The Town Centers are also focal points for the community’s high density or multi-family residential development. The area is supported and connected through transportation, utility and support service infrastructure that is adequate to meet the anticipated needs of its residents.
636 posted on 02/06/2005 2:30:44 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
You want me to shoot this monitor, don'cha?

They want toll roads all over Austin - roads that we've already paid for

Don't get me started on this POS city, please.

Cheers, HT, and thanks for starting this discussion here. Other than my "social" threads, this is the most I've posted on fr in several years - it's been fun. Seen some old friends, and might have made some new ones.

Cheers.

637 posted on 02/06/2005 2:54:45 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: lodwick

Maybe you should drop into one of their meetings sometime?

Maybe you can bust the facilitators and save your county.

I hope we've all made some new friends on this thread. Best having a buddy watching your back when the battle begins.


638 posted on 02/06/2005 3:09:03 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: lodwick

Unfunded mandates are more of politicians helping themselves then us letting them happen.
Remember, there is one thing that we have to prevent things being forced upon us. It is our 1st Amendment.
Say it loud and say it proud! If we disagree let it be known and be aware there are people who will do anyting to stop us in resisting their objectives.


639 posted on 02/06/2005 3:16:35 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: hedgetrimmer; lodwick
Maybe you should drop into one of their meetings sometime, Lodwick - see if any of your neighbors are there trying to get ordinances passed to control what you do at your house - LOL! This stuff really is going on everywhere because of the funding coming out of the government. The EPA is funding "smart Growth" - see http://www.epa.gov/livability/topics/funding.htm which is just another name for government planning the use of resources, rather than the invisible hand of the market. Check out what they're promoting with Green Communities at http://www.epa.gov/greenkit/index.html

We are trying to convince our elected officials to cut off the funding for all this BS, but they say they can't go up against the environmentalists lobby. That's why we need a lot of grassroots groups, that form statewide coalitions and ultimately national coalitions - so we can go to congress representing more people than the environmentalists say they represent. If we start out speaking out in our own communities opposing all this, and gain notoriety that way it gives us a leg to stand on at the state level.

That is exactly what the people who want government to control all resources did - they started with the environmentalism at the grassroots level in the 50's and 60's, and by the 80's had widespread support among the public for saving tigers and spotted owls. In the 90's they really leveraged that power into control of federal and state departments and even agencies. They use words in new ways that sound innocuous (endangered species, watershed planning, invasive species) and before we ordinary citizens know what happened, there are regulations to save, preserve and protect things that just happen to require government control of our resources. At this point, they used a lot of inaccurate and even fraudulent data to support their views, so we need to be constantly monitoring and researching what they say, so we have the information we need to fight back.
640 posted on 02/06/2005 3:42:46 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: o_zarkman44; Kay Ludlow; All

Well said, folks.

Most of us have been too busy "making a living," and trying to do what was the right thing, and ignoring the "loonie-lefties" as they slowly, but surely, got their agenda out there with their feel good slogans and propaganda.

I believe that we're gaining ground.

They've been doing their thing since the '30s...we've just been doing ours for less than ten years.

The more that we can expose what's going on to the light of truth, the better shot that we have in turning this thing around. I hope and pray.

God bless all, who are seeking the truth.


641 posted on 02/06/2005 3:53:22 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: Kay Ludlow; All

Types of men:

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Also known as: Mr. Nice Guy, Family man, Honey, Darling, Soft-boiled Egg, Snugglepup
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Disadvantages: Irritatingly compassionate, wimpy.

Old Man Grumpus - "People are stupid. The world can go to hell. Let's stay home and watch TV."
Also known as: Grumbles, Sour puss, Stick-in-the-mud, Old Fogey, Slow Mover, Jerk
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Disadvantages: Royal pain in the ass.

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Also known as: Trembly, Creampuff, Hey you.
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Bigfoot - "Shut yer trap, I'm thinkin'."
Also known as: Chunk-style, Lummox, Ignoramus, Galoot, the Hulk, Big 'n' Dumb
Advantages: Can tote bales; is easily fooled
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The Sneak - "Who, me?"
Also known as: Love Pirate, Snake, Rat, Slime, G-D Son of a Bitch
Advantages: May feel pangs of guilt
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Ace of Hearts - "After I wash the dishes let's make love like crazed weasels, OK?"
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Disadvantages: Perpetually aroused.

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Also known as: Struggling Artist, Philosopher, Buffoon, Bag of Wind
Advantages: Tells good stories
Disadvantages: Will turn into "Old Man Grumpus".

Mr. Right - "While the servants wash the dishes, let's make love like crazed weasels in my new yacht, ok?"
Also known as: Mr. Perfect, Jim Dandy
Advantages: Answer to a woman's prayer
Disadvantages: Hunted to extinction.


642 posted on 02/06/2005 4:01:22 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: Kay Ludlow
We are trying to convince our elected officials to cut off the funding for all this BS, but they say they can't go up against the environmentalists lobby

You know, no matter how powerful the environmentalists lobby is, it speaks very ill of a politician who would do their bidding when it violates the rights of the citizens he represents to a constitutional government and destroys America's culture and way of life.

These fellows should be summarily removed from office for abdicating their duty to protect citizens and giving power and authority to these groups are out to harm us.

But how hard is it to find a principled constitutionalist and get him or her elected to office? We need to do a lot better at getting qualified candidates nominated and elected.
643 posted on 02/06/2005 5:22:17 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
It does indeed speak ill of them, but the system itself is a problem too. A friend of my mother's went to the state as a representative, determined to be honest and not play games. What he found is that if you don't play let's-make-a-deal, you can't advance any agenda of your own - all you can do is vote for or against the agenda of others.

I've often wondered what would happen if a group rose up and fielded candidates for "clean sweep" elections. Many people think that would be a good idea, then again while many think congressmen as a rule are corrupt, they think their own is a good guy. That's why we see the same faces in congress forever. Same idea as people thinking US schools are bad, except their own - which is above average.

Is that because of the messaging from our congressmen (and schools) to us, the constituents saying over and over what a great job they do? One of the failings of the conservatives and constitutionalists is that we think we should state our position once and everyone will understand. We need to state our positions as concise messages and repeat them over and over. Repetition works - that's why companies spend millions on advertising. The left understood that long ago, and said things like "we just want clean air for our children", and "we just want to save the magnificent species that are endangered" while pushing regulation that in the details did far more than their messaging implied. All those accusations you hear about talk radio hosts getting the GOP talking points are because on the left they actually do that - send out talking points to everyone so we hear the same message from all of them. After awhile people think that if they've heard 5 different people say the same thing there must be something to it. That's actually one of the points of forming coalition groups - we can work in concert on issues that we agree on, using the same message and the same language till it's heard enough to be effective.

Sorry to get on my soapbox - it's something I see as a serious problem on the side of the rugged individualists - we want to do our own thing, state our own message, go our own way. Unfortunately, all the individual messages go unheard amidst the buzz of the leftist hive.
644 posted on 02/06/2005 5:57:29 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: All

bumo


645 posted on 02/06/2005 6:19:22 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: pbrown
Commented Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy: "This accord would constitute the most egregious transfer of American sovereignty, wealth and power to the U.N. since the founding of that 'world body.' In fact, never before in the history of the world has any nation voluntarily engaged in such a sweeping transfer to anyone."

I read some about the LOST treaty. Makes my blood boil. God help us if we get HITLERy in 2008.

646 posted on 02/06/2005 6:20:51 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: lodwick
The other thing it would give the UN is permanent funding. No longer would they have to look to "donations" from member nations to carry out whatever the scam du jour might be. They would be able to tax any and every activity in the salt waters of the world, from shipping, to cruising, to mineral, metal, and oil explorations...use your imagination as to what all they would control. Anyone who would promote this lunacy should be denounced as a traitor to his country - whatever country it be. If you can listen to internet radio, may I suggest rbnlive.com and gcnlive.com for information you will not hear on the MSM type stations. Evening, cheers. Time to fire off the grill and burn something.

I know. ANyone who would support the LOST treaty is not just an enemy of the state, but an enemy of FREEDOM.

I rarely listen to internet radio but I will give RBNLive a try.

I am going to practice at the shooting range more from now on.

647 posted on 02/06/2005 6:24:46 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: GeronL

You said that Kofi Annan and the UN have called for a new definition of sovereignty and set up organizations for that purpose. Do you have some links to share on the subject? I'm aware that elitist groups have long sought to replace our Constitution, eliminate our borders, and replace the current U.N. with one even more fearful, etc. but I haven't heard of a new definition of sovereignty. Every scheme of this wretched cabal is bad news for America.


648 posted on 02/06/2005 6:26:49 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Paul_Denton
(Sorry for not responding sooner. This thing keeps shutting) down on me. Gotta be spyware or something.

L.O.S.T. is coming up for a vote in about 60 days. Lugar will try and sneak it in when no one is watching. If he does, Bush will sign it.

649 posted on 02/06/2005 6:53:10 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Dixielander

Here's a former US diplomat, Edward Marks,


Summing up in the words of the secretary general of the UN, state sovereignty is no longer the absolute be-all and end-all of the international system. This thought, explicitly introduced by the secretary general to the 1999 Session of UN General Assembly, has opened a debate on the character of the international political environment.

The secretary general's comment reflects the recent evolution in international law with respect to intervention and the rights and privileges of nation states. One major component of international law is customary law, based on what governments and officials actually do over a period of time and more or less accepted by consensus and practice. The other major component consists of treaties and other agreements, including the Charter of the United Nations. In both of these areas we have in the last decade changed the way in which we regard international law in general and the role of the UN Charter in particular.

Prior to the UN Charter, international law focused on state practice within which war was lawful as state-to- state practice. States were sovereign in law as well as practice. The UN Charter modified that situation, at least with respect to law, by proposing restrictions to the use of war and force, that is, in self-defense or when authorized by Chapter 7. In practice, unfortunately, the Charter prohibitions did not significantly inhibit actual practice by states in the use of force, with the dynamics of the Cold War effectively precluding the use of Chapter 7 by the world community. Except for the Congo operation in the 1960's, the UN until I990 engaged only in Chapter 6 operations—what has become known as traditional peacekeeping -- in which multinational forces may use force only in self-defense.

http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archives_roll/2001_10-12/marks_sovereign/marks_sovereign.html


650 posted on 02/06/2005 6:55:31 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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