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Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21
SierraTimes.com ^ | Feb 3, 2005 | Nancy Levant

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer

Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21 Nancy Levant

I keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting for Bill O’Reilly or Shaun Hannity or Oprah Winfrey or somebody…..anybody, who has daily access to the multitudes, to say the words, “Agenda 21.” I’m still waiting, and for the life of me, I don’t understand the refusal to talk about the greatest threat to America that has ever existed. However, it dawns on me that wrapping a brain around Agenda 21 requires time, effort, interest, and a lot diligence. No one told me about Agenda 21. I found it by accident on the Internet. Then I went to the U.N.’s website and read Agenda 21. From there I went to Buenos Aires, The President’s Commission of Sustainable Development, my local sustainable development commissions and planners, to local visioning commissions, ecology conglomerates, and then back to the U.N.. After about six months of reading about a whole lot of global, national, and philanthropic organizations, I started documenting and keeping running lists because, I discovered, Agenda 21 was huge, highly developed, and a done deal. “How is it,” I asked myself, “that in 50 years, I never heard of any of this before? Where were my trusted newscasters? And why hasn’t my President, or the previous Presidents, ever talked about Agenda 21, the meetings in Buenos Aires, and Agenda 21’s connections to the World Trade Organization, World Bank, and a thousand other global organizations?”

So, I kept researching the Net. And lo and behold, I finally realized that Agenda 21 would never be publicized to Americans. It really can’t be.

As my running lists were now becoming encyclopedic, I also realized that there was no way to explain Agenda 21 easily. It’s too big, profoundly sophisticated, intentionally masked and hidden by corporate agendas and ecological ideologies that are, themselves, exploited by corporate agendas. But more than that, I realized that for Americans to understand Agenda 21, they would have to come to terms with a truth that, I fear, they won’t believe. What would that truth be? Let me try to say it in one sentence: Agenda 21 is the end of America.

As I read that sentence I think, “Well, Nancy, now everyone is going to think you are an extremist and no one will believe anything you say from now on. Everyone knows there can be no end to America….”

But unfortunately, my dear Americans, there can be an end to America, for America is a way of life. The place on Earth - where we are – the beautiful and bountiful lands between Canada and Mexico, might retain the name of “The United States of America,” but I’m not even sure that that is a given. If you believe even half of Agenda 21 and it’s dealings with the World Trade Organization, The World Bank, The President’s Commission on Sustainable Development, The Commission on Global Governance, The World Conference on Global Governance, The Millennium Project, The Court of Criminal Justice, The Nature Conservancy, The World Summit on Sustainable Development, Smart Growth, AND the “visioning” training and manipulation of American people, then you realize what has happened right under our noses over the past 35 years and without one national personality ever mentioning Agenda 21.

So, let me offer a list of website addresses to help readers research for themselves. I suggest you take notes and collect new website addresses. I believe that, as Americans, we owe it to our history and our sense of ourselves, to do the following:

· Read Agenda 21. If you read the other information via the web addresses in this article, you will wrap your brain around Agenda 21. It’s unbelievable and it’s dastardly, because not one politician or national media outlet has had the guts to tell us what was being taken from us.

· Pass your knowledge on to others. Don’t stew and be paralyzed. Take your knowledge to churches, civic organizations, and any other groups or individuals you can, and resolve yourselves to spread the news. Have an Anti-Agenda 21 Parade or Day to draw attention to the cause. Without fail, it’s the most important thing you will ever do in your lives as patriotic people. Write to your representatives and tell them you know what they have hidden, and that their manipulations of American citizens are shameful. Do it.

· Try so very hard to home school your children. Public schools are governmental institutions embroiled in Agenda 21 and its plans for the United States and our children. As you read and study Agenda 21, you will see it alive, well, and operating most obviously in the public schools. You will also see it clearly in the newest communities in all states across the country. Agenda 21 is everywhere, and it wants your children’s intellects and value systems as well as your land and land rights.

· Finally, teach your children about Agenda 21, what it is, and what it is doing to their country. Children have unique wisdoms at every age. Teach them truths so that they can faithfully and fearlessly speak truths. They must understand what is happening in their country. They cannot fight hidden and masked manipulations if they don’t understand how and where they operate.

Now is the time for Americans to help Americans. We cannot fight the loss of our rights unless we understand the game, and most Americans are totally unaware of what is happening to them and their communities. However, I do believe that the bulk of American people “sense” that something is amiss. Let’s commit to them, our children, and our futures. Let’s spread the news and make the media and politicians talk. They have counted on our stupidity, our silence, and our laziness. They have even counted on us not really caring.

We have to remember – it’s our government. It does not belong to politicians. They work for us. Unfortunately, they have not done that, and furthermore, they have advanced a worldwide mission without our knowledge, our votes, or even our opinions. So I say, one town at a time, here we come, and any elected official found to be complicit or a silent player in the Agenda 21 game needs to go.

Agenda 21 – Learn All About It

Basic Explanation of birth of Agenda 21 http://www.johannesburgsummit.org/html/basic_info/unced.html

Timeline of development of world governance and agenda 21 http://www.sovereignty.net/timeline.html

Key players of Millennium Project http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/tf6interim.pdf

HABITAT II – U.N. Housing Requirements http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/hab2.html

Brainwashing/education http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashing.html

Global Governance – key international players http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/gganalysis.htm

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Millennium Goals Project http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.edu/about/director/

Rocky Mountain Institute http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid61.php

Sustainable Development in the United States – natural resources goals: http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/usa/natur.htm

Henry Lamb http://www.sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html

The Sustainable Development Institute http://www.susdev.org/

American Policy Center – Tom DeWeese http://americanpolicy.org/ invasive species legislation: http://americanpolicy.org/prop/main.htm the Wildlands Project, Smart Growth Project http://americanpolicy.org/un/darkside.htm

American Farmland Trust & the Nature Conservancy & OSU http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles5/rustling_america_in_ohio.htm

Human Settlements – goals http://www.nlihc.org/mahn/habitat.htm ***Education for sustainability: An Agenda Action http://www.gcrio.org/edu/pcsd/toc.html United Nations dissolves USA Sovereignty http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a33916.htm Visioning Training-How To Re-Envision People and Communities www.hhh.umn.edu/centers/rlc/comm/outcome.htm People and their organizations and schemes: http://www.southern-style.com/conspiracy_of_the_left.htm How to force visioning upon the public as quoted from the United Nation’s Agenda 21 document: http://doncasey.home.mindspring.com/vision.htm World Summit on Sustainable Development http://www.minambiente.it/Sito/settori_azione/pia/docs/forum_chairman_summary.pdf


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To: hedgetrimmer; everyone

H.R.418
REAL ID Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)






SEC. 102. WAIVER OF LAWS NECESSARY FOR IMPROVEMENT OF BARRIERS AT BORDERS.

Section 102(c) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1103 note) is amended to read as follows:

`(c) Waiver-

`(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to waive, and shall waive, all laws such Secretary, in such Secretary's sole discretion, determines necessary to ensure expeditious construction of the barriers and roads under this section.

`(2) NO JUDICIAL REVIEW- Notwithstanding any other provision of law (statutory or nonstatutory), no court shall have jurisdiction--

`(A) to hear any cause or claim arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security pursuant to paragraph (1); or

`(B) to order compensatory, declaratory, injunctive, equitable, or any other relief for damage alleged to arise from any such action or decision.'.
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This is only one section of HR 418


701 posted on 02/07/2005 8:35:53 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: TC Rider
Some Members of Congress Promote Agenda 21

Agenda 21 -- the blueprint to advance Sustainable Development by Daniel Beckett

Regional Governance Is Here

"Enlibra": EPA’s New Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing
The truth is quite different. Rodney Stubbs, an investigative reporter, has dug into the story behind Gov. Leavitt's embrace of "Enlibra"; a name attached to "the establishment of Principles for Environmental Management in the West. In Oregon, these principles include Smart Growth and Sustainable Development." In reality, Smart Growth means no growth and Sustainable Development means no development. They are the ultimate environmental Big Lies.

Enlibra is based on the United Nations Agenda 21 that would strip local, state and even federal government bodies of the right to represent their constituents whenever environmental restrictions and controls are imposed. It goes right to the heart of the concept of national sovereignty at every level. It seeks to destroy it and put the NGOs in charge.

Along with Gov. Leavitt, Enlibra was embraced by the former Governor of Oregon, Dr. John Kitzhaber, who pushed through the Oregon Sustainability Act. Thus, in Oregon, environmental governance removes the role of elected representatives and replaces them with power granted to NGOs such as the Sierra Club, 1000 Friends of Oregon, the World Wildlife Federation, and the Audubon Society. Nobody elected these people! As Stubbs points out, Enlibra is a policy designed "to destroy capitalism, consumption, and the American free enterprise system. The process changes the fundamental purpose of having elected officials represent their constituents and forever forecloses the option to change the rules if found to be unworkable."
702 posted on 02/07/2005 8:37:05 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

The U.N. kinda reminds me of Dr. Evil.
703 posted on 02/07/2005 8:43:11 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: Kay Ludlow; hedgetrimmer; lodwick; pbrown

Most of the people who push these "communtiy issues" are plants from other areas who want to make an area more to their liking.

Same in rural areas. A real life example is the area my father lives in. He has a farm. The land is in a relatively low population area because of agriculture being the predominant economy. People from urban areas have purchased several large acreages surrounding his farm.
One acreage is 600 plus acres to the north. They hunt the land so it has not affected the area much. One area is probably equally 600 acres to the west and south. The west and southern land boundarys a large creek with bluffs and extends at least a mile down the stream.

That property has been closed to hunting. It was a prime area for hunting. There have been "nature trails" developed, complete with park like benches. The owner contacted my father about purchasing some adjoining acreage from him. That acreage is prime hunting ground that we visit every year to harvest deer etc. Of course my father is a no sell.

Private ownership of land is a good thing. But there is a cancer being spread by self proclaimed environmentalists who own property for the sole purpose of preserving or restoring the land. I believe it will be not too many years and that very land will be a foothold to a public set aside. I don't know if this is the case with the new property owners, but the actions are very suspicious to other land owners, including my father.

Another aspect of rural land grabs. The CRP (conservation reserve program). CRP pays land owners cash rent to keep land out of production. CRP establishes native prarie grass and promotes reforestation. The farmer or landowner sets up an account with the USDA (US Dept of Agriculture) and promises to keep the land out of production for a period of years, 10 or more,in exchange for say $50 to $60 dollars an acre per year cash. The landowner gets the cash money to use for the basis for paying off the land. So the plan finances land purchases as well as pays the current landowner. The CRP transfers to a new landowner who is obligated by law to fulfill the land contract or be forced to reimburse the government for all the money paid for the prior years. There may be other stipulations that make it hard to reuse the land as it had been previously used.

Since there is but a few farms and property owners it is very easy to establish conservation areas and buffer zones. Agenda 21 seeks to establish population zones and rural zones. Ownership of rural propertys are by a significantly small portion of our population, so it is easy to impose regulations on farmers and ranchers that city dwellers ignore and in many cases promote.

Watershed Districts.
Another land grab is watershed districts. The US Corp of Engineers want to prevent flooding and soil erosion. So they designate a watershed that drains to a particular stream. If a landowner lives in that district they are taxed so as to provide flood protection and water quality monitoring down stream. Of course, in the watershed there are designated areas for wetlands restoration. And then there are conservation areas along the watershed for public access.

Every time government takes control of some land, the land is taken off of property tax rolls. This places a higher burden on the remaining landowners to make up for school and road taxes. Areas that have huge holdings of government land become economically depressed because of lost property tax revenue. Local government becomes financially strapped and the idea is floated to create regional government districts. That takes us back to the original context of this thread. Agenda 21 is all around us. Urban, rural, nobody is immune to all the "great ideas" to help preserve our "heritage". The outcome and objective of Agenda 21 completely undoes our national heritage. There is nothing more important in America than following the exact principles that brought our founding fathers here to seek freedom and land ownership.


704 posted on 02/07/2005 8:43:48 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: TC Rider

See post 704 as well.


705 posted on 02/07/2005 9:38:41 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Triggerhippie

No indeed. "Anything detrimental" doesn't qualify for that about which I was writing.


706 posted on 02/07/2005 9:40:59 AM PST by Spirited
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To: Freebird Forever

"they'll be the ones with boot polish on their tongues."

..And money in their pockets for their "paid" opinions.


707 posted on 02/07/2005 9:47:19 AM PST by Spirited
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To: hedgetrimmer

Brainwashing bump for later -- this concerns me.


708 posted on 02/07/2005 10:14:52 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

You miss the tie that binds. Islam is the same concept of Communism. They work hand in hand. They are one in the same. They are of the same ideal.
To defeat any enemy, you need to see it for what is. Dominion Rule. Power. End of individual or State sovereignty. The end of YOUR freedom.


709 posted on 02/07/2005 10:31:51 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (You better believe it's real!)
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To: Bernard Marx

Good. This should concern each and every one of us, because if we lose our property rights, we have lost all our rights.


710 posted on 02/07/2005 10:50:02 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: thirst4truth
"That is number one on NAR's agenda. We fight the enviornmentalist every day. Here in Oregon we had, for a second time, a landslide victory about private property rights, the tide is turning against enviornmentalists, at least in my state."

That is very good to see--especially from Oregon! Thanks for the good news!
711 posted on 02/07/2005 10:52:40 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: o_zarkman44

You are dead on accurate, Zark. The fight is upon us.

You would not believe the threat and the losses already sustained. "We people of the USA" have been under attack for a long time. We have lost much. Can we defeat the enemy? Is it too late? Do we roll over? Or............

I hope to see more and more people aware, and expressing, holding Representatives to account, etc. People MUST GET INVOLVED.....NOW.


712 posted on 02/07/2005 11:10:08 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (You better believe it's real!)
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To: lodwick
This should concern each and every one of us, because if we lose our property rights, we have lost all our rights.

I could not agree more. I've been researching Agenda 21 for some time but the URLs in this post are very helpful. The biggest problem seems to be convincing some people this stuff is really happening right before their own eyes. Our enemies have studied the art of boiling frogs.

713 posted on 02/07/2005 1:47:36 PM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: pbrown

SUN is very catchy. Stop the UN. YES! We are definitely getting burned, no thanks to the uN operatives here in America, working for dismissal of our Constitution. Those people are traitors if they are American Citizens. And if they are not citizens, who gives them the right to voice political opinion regarding American Sovergnity, and why do politicians even listen to them?


714 posted on 02/07/2005 5:11:58 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: hedgetrimmer; pbrown; All

I did a Google search on the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) for the State of Missouri. This link is a national map. Check your state for individual programs.
http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/programs/eqip/EQIP_signup/2005_EQIP/index.html



Missouri Home About Us News Programs Technical Resources Partnerships Contact Us

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Missouri All NRCS Sites NRCS, FSA & RD for

Programs
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Find a Service Center



Missouri 2005 Environmental Quality Incentives Program (EQIP)
The Environmental Quality Incentives Program (EQIP) is a voluntary conservation program from the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS). It supports production agriculture and environmental quality as compatible goals. Through EQIP, producers may receive financial and technical assistance with structural and management conservation practices on agricultural land.

EQIP was reauthorized in the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 (2002 Farm Bill) and is administered by NRCS. Information about EQIP in Missouri is detailed below. NRCS, Farm Service Agency (FSA), University Extension, or your local Soil and Water Conservation District (SWCD) can provide more information. All Missouri sign-ups are conducted at USDA Service Centers. Your local USDA Service Center agencies are also listed in the telephone book under United States Government, Department of Agriculture.

Missouri’s EQIP program is developed using locally led conservation through Soil and Water Conservation Districts and the Missouri State Technical Committee. The Missouri State Technical Committee is composed of individuals who represent a variety of natural resource sciences and occupations including agricultural producers, agribusiness, nonprofit organizations, state and federal agencies. National priorities and national measures are an important consideration in EQIP program development.
Eligible conservation practices, financial assistance (cost share and incentive rates), local priorities, scoresheet ranking criteria, and scoresheet ranking points have all been reviewed and are used in the development of Missouri’s EQIP program. Based on the 2004 EQIP year, Missouri expects to fund 40 to 60 percent of 2005 EQIP applications.

Brought to you by the makers of Agenda 21!!!!!!!!


715 posted on 02/07/2005 5:28:40 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: hedgetrimmer

bump


716 posted on 02/07/2005 5:34:20 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: iconoclast

bump


717 posted on 02/07/2005 6:32:34 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: GeronL; lodwick; Paul_Denton; hedgetrimmer; All

GeronL, you wrote: "Its more than just the UN we're fighting." Absolutely, and many more people need to understand this if we're to prevail.

Hedgetrimmer, this thread that you initiated has been an eye-opener to so many of us. Thanks.

Now since we know that our enemy is like an octopus, with
tentacles having a vast reach, here's another one that readers of this thread should be aware of. It is FEMA. Through a series of executive orders, some of which are listed in the first linked article, "FEMA: The Secret Government" by Harry V. Martin and research assistance from David Caul. http://www.heartsongs.org/FEMA.htm )
FEMA can override our Constitution and impose martial law.

The second link: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/mt_weather.htm gives information about Mount Weather, a continuity of government facility with an expansive underground bunker that FEMA operates.


718 posted on 02/07/2005 9:11:00 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander
Computer crashed today. I'm back....I think..lolol

Why would they need an underground bunker? War? With Americans?

719 posted on 02/07/2005 10:07:27 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Glad you've got your computer back up. I'm listening to an interview with Joan Veon as I write. She just got back from covering the meeting in Davos Switzerland and she's reporting on it. Tune in if you like: http://www.rense.com


720 posted on 02/07/2005 10:19:43 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: pbrown

Mt. Weather has been in existence since early in this century. Now it is the command center for FEMA and a haven for a so-called shadow government that would operate should the present government become inoperable. There's too much going on there to present it here but for more information here's a link: http://members.aol.com/poesgirl/mtweathr.htm


721 posted on 02/07/2005 11:05:22 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander
Here's a couple of radio show downloads you might be interested in listening to: Sustainable Development: Emergence of the American Soviet: Michael Shaw on F21SC Radio Posted Jan 05, 2005

Wayne Hage's battle to protect private property -- his and yours F21SC Radio

The Danger of Sustainable Development: Tom DeWeese on F21SC Radio
722 posted on 02/07/2005 11:10:51 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Thanks for the links. I'll listen after daybreak. Are you listening to Jeff Rense/Joan Veon now? After Joan's interview ends Lindsey Williams will be the next guest.


723 posted on 02/07/2005 11:21:42 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander

No, its about the end of the day for me.

Do they archive the shows?


724 posted on 02/07/2005 11:24:31 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yes, the programs are archived, but there's a membership charge to view them. I'll check around and see if I can find a recent interview that's archived and available at no cost and let you know what and where.


725 posted on 02/07/2005 11:30:57 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: o_zarkman44; Dixielander; B4Ranch

Here is how the state of California proposes to slef fund the smart growth control of the housing market and where people live:

State Treasurer Phil Angelides has proposed turning the state's real estate assets into moneymaking ventures, and channeling the earnings to an endowment that would support young Californians wanting to attend college.

The Department of Motor Vehicles and other agencies often have small buildings built on large tracts of land that could be put to better use, he said. For example, the DMV would continue to use the buildings, but mixed-use housing and retail development projects could be built up around them, Angelides said during a visit Thursday to the Mercury News.


The real estate assets would be transformed into a $5 billion-plus trust, called the ``California Hope Endowment,'' which would seek ways to attain returns. Environmentally sensitive land would be exempted. Earnings could reach $300 million a year, Angelides said.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/10698383.htm?1c


726 posted on 02/07/2005 11:35:12 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: o_zarkman44

Brought to you by the makers of Agenda 21!!!!!!!!
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lol - yep. You nailed it.


727 posted on 02/08/2005 5:10:08 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Dixielander; All
I know that Lindsey Williams (The Energy Non-Crisis , and several other books) has recently been on most of the rbnlive.com internet show streaming broadcasts. They are all archived, and are all free to download in 32-bit format.
728 posted on 02/08/2005 5:17:41 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: everyone
Lindsey Williams interviewed here . Scroll down to Monday, 15 November.
729 posted on 02/08/2005 5:43:46 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: Dixielander
I'm gonna have to get a priest to bless this thing.

My clock has 11:36 am. Your posting time is 12:19 am. somethings off. I'll check and see if the interview is still on. Thanks.

730 posted on 02/08/2005 9:38:46 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Dixielander
That isn't my kind of site.

"WTC brought down by explosives"
"Paranoia in White House"
"Iraq'nam".

Sounds like something the Democrats would all agree with though.

731 posted on 02/08/2005 9:45:44 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

LOL. I sent the email to you shortly after midnight. So, your computer clock is no doubt okay.


732 posted on 02/08/2005 9:52:06 AM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander
Thank goodness. This thing is driving me nuts. I ran sasser disk and things like that but it keeps scrambling and locking up on me. My being computer illiterate doesn't help me either...LOL

In Washington now they are at lunch break. When 12:00pm my times rolls around I will be making my calls to my politicians. I'll see if they have any answers to my questions, and if they don't, I'll ask them why they have none on such important issues facing American sovereignty.

733 posted on 02/08/2005 10:01:43 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"You are very brave. Thanks for the work you have done on this issues in the past."

Hedgetrimmer, I wanted to make this last post on FR and thank you for your kind words. Brave? Hardly. I looked at my family and no one would speak up. Then I looked at my neighborhood, and no one cared. Then I looked to my community and found not even a handful of people willing to risk it all for this country. I looked to FR and found some of the best Americans I've ever known, but FR has changed.

Why have I spoken up? Bravery? No. It's because no one else would.

Regards,
AuntB


734 posted on 02/08/2005 10:20:05 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Marked


735 posted on 02/08/2005 10:49:22 AM PST by winodog (I am gonna stop calling them liberals. They are humanists. Liberal is actually a good word)
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To: AuntB

Lot's of us appreciate this thread and the gravity of the problem(s) that it addresses in a manner that shows it transcends left/right, and goes to idea of what are our rulers planning for this country.

And what can each of us do to make a difference for the better?

Cheers, B.


736 posted on 02/08/2005 1:34:12 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: winodog

The original definition of liberal was outstanding - thanks for bringing back the distinction.


737 posted on 02/08/2005 1:36:11 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: Larry Lucido

Thats right... I don't mind being stroked, but sooner or later... I need closure!


738 posted on 02/08/2005 1:46:37 PM PST by johnny7 (“It's not revenge he wants... it's a 'reckonin!” -Doc Holliday, Tombstone)
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To: lodwick; hedgetrimmer; o_zarkman44; B4Ranch; Kay Ludlow

The numerous links you've posted present valuable information from many sources. Combined, they reveal that dangers that threaten our freedom, sovereignty and lives coming at us from many directions.

Thus far I haven't worked my way through most of the links, but I listened to Michael Shaw's program about the Emergence of the Soviet State that demonstrated to me how Regional governance and council rule circumvent the voters' directives. If I've missed anyone who has posted links on this string, it was unintentional and my thanks to you as well.

Lodwick, I've heard Alex Jones talk about the toll roads in Austin. Do you have more information that you can share about this? From my understanding of it, you will have transponders or the like in your automobiles so that your usage can be tracked and later taxed. If it is successful in Austin and other cities, no doubt it will spread across the nation.

I've forgotten who posted the link to Ron Paul's liberty Committee, but that's one that we should all subscribe to since through its alerts, we can immediately and effortlessly contact our congress critters and let them know that we're watching them.

Haven't seen any links to CASPIAN regarding the RFID and Verichips , so here it is:
http://www.spychips.com/index.html

Thanks to you all. So glad to benefit from your knowledge and concern. If I've missed anyone who has posted links, it was unintentional and I offer my thanks to you as well.


739 posted on 02/08/2005 3:02:01 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: lodwick; hedgetrimmer; o_zarkman44; B4Ranch; Kay Ludlow
postscript to 739. I thought I had proofread. Obviously I
didn't do a thorough job of it. Hope you can plough your way through and overlook the syntax and redundancies.
740 posted on 02/08/2005 3:14:27 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander; Patriot; American; All
Hey - first of all, you are so correct about patriots and liberty-lovers being assailed on more fronts than I can count...from the cities to the counties, to the state and of course the feds and the UN.

It is a war on freedom.

Folks, this is not about left/right - it is good/evil. Believe it.

This toll crap is going in all over our country: just google toll roads and see it happening throughout America. For information about Austin's plan, and what we're trying to do to stuff it, go to Austin Toll Party .

741 posted on 02/08/2005 5:31:17 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: hedgetrimmer

bump


742 posted on 02/08/2005 5:39:19 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: lodwick; AuntB
Lot's of us appreciate this thread and the gravity of the problem(s) that it addresses in a manner that shows it transcends left/right, and goes to idea of what are our rulers planning for this country. And what can each of us do to make a difference for the better? Cheers, B.

I agree. The leftists and the UN are buddies in the same. I forgot the link but Ted Kennedy and some other Senator want the UN to control OUR elections. It is just insane.

743 posted on 02/08/2005 6:05:34 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Paul_Denton

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744 posted on 02/08/2005 6:14:00 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Dixielander

Hi Dixielander, I see you have B4Ranch on your ping list. He was banned earlier today.


745 posted on 02/08/2005 7:29:42 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Oh no! What happened?


746 posted on 02/08/2005 7:34:19 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Sorry to hear that.


747 posted on 02/08/2005 7:49:25 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: hedgetrimmer; pbrown; lodwick; All

This is off-topic, or is it? I think not.

Action Alert: Oppose H.R. 418 (national ID)

February 8, 2005


Are the terrorists winning? When al-Qaeda attacked the United States on
September 11, 2001, they made it clear they hate America and want to terrorize
us into changing America.

If they could, the terrorists would destroy the unique American way of life. But they
can't. Only we can do that.

Tragically, too much of the legislation enacted by Congress in a knee-jerk reaction
to 9/11 does al-Qaeda's job for them. The Patriot Act took the first, disastrous
step toward fundamentally changing our way of life. Then came the homeland
security bill, followed by the 9/11 intelligence reorganization bill. And now the Real
ID Act of 2005 (H.R. 418) will be voted on Thursday, February 10th.

What's wrong with H.R. 418 -- a bill we are told will stem the flow of illegal aliens
through our porous borders? For starters, it does NOTHING to stem the flow of
illegal aliens. Instead, H.R. 418 will:

1. Establish a national ID card.
2. Establish a federally-coordinated database of personal information on
merican citizens with Canada and Mexico.
3. Use the new national ID to track American citizens when traveling outside
the U.S. -- and within the U.S.
4. Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members of
firearms rights and anti-abortion groups or other such groups as determined by
whoever is in power at the time.
5. Authorize the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally
expand the information included in driver's licenses, including such biometric
information as retina scans and DNA information -- and even radio frequency
identification (RFID) tracking technology. Carry a driver’s license with RFID and
governmental officials will know your whereabouts 24/7.

Incredibly, H.R. 418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to national security
posed by people who are already in the U.S. illegally. Instead, H.R. 418 states
what we already know: that certain people here illegally are "deportable." But it
does nothing to mandate deportation. H.R. 418 fails miserably on this most
critical issue.

The Real ID Act or Real National ID Act will impose a Soviet-style internal
passport on law-abiding American citizens. Proponents of H.R. 418 say we must "make sacrifices" like this to control our borders and fight illegal immigration. But
H.R. 418 is a Trojan horse -- it pretends to offer desperately needed border
control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American:
more of our constitutionally protected liberty. H.R. 418 does what al-Qaeda could
never do without our help.

H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does. It punishes
law-abiding citizens. Criminals will ignore it. H.R. 418 offers us a false sense of
greater security at the cost of taking a gigantic step toward making America a
police state. The terrorists will have won.

Urge your U.S. representative to vote "no" on H.R. 418.
Go to http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=6938731&type=CO

Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee


748 posted on 02/08/2005 7:52:08 PM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander

HR418 is only meant to cover 4 items tossed out of the "intelligence bill"...you know the one that calls for 2000 border guards, but the white house won't fund. Our reps would like us to believe the problem of illegal immigration is being addressed by it. Not much. It will never get through the senate and it does nothing to stem the tide of illegals, but the 4 items in it might be okay, it just doesn't go far enough. Search "immigration" and you'll see posts about it.


749 posted on 02/08/2005 8:02:25 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Dixielander

Thanks for the info.


750 posted on 02/08/2005 8:05:07 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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