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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: shubi

Seems to me that any Christian who would measure how much of a Christian another Christian is sincerely human. Although I do not doubt that Christ had risen, I do not see the evidence of this, don't need to, so it's not on the list. Many things on not on the list that could be.


1,661 posted on 02/10/2005 3:43:31 PM PST by HankReardon
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To: King Prout
I have been guilty in this thread of being sarcastic and antagonistic; mostly to try to make the point that none of us knows it all, and that ridicule rarely, if ever, cures ignorance. I'm really kind of glad you posted that dialectic because it gives me kind of a segue into the opportunity to explain my position on the matter of evolution/creation and numerous other subjects that I am not well-versed in. That is, I don't think that it is so important that we get all worked up about it, calling each other evil and stupid. Personally, I don't think it is that important how God created, but rather that He created. Arguing that matter is fruitless because it is a matter of belief. Kind of like arguing about what your favorite colors are and trying to convince each other to switch.

What is stupid is to summarily dismiss that which we don't fully understand, be it scientific or spiritual.

1,662 posted on 02/10/2005 3:44:48 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: King Prout

I don't even count the 120 yrs as significant.

The whole outline of sequential appearance of life is unusual for bronze age writing, possibly unique.

I know that it is wrong in a lot of detail, but it is certainly closer to modern evolutionary theory than the pagan myth of Adam and Eve.


1,663 posted on 02/10/2005 3:44:55 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi

bah - lawyeristic semantics! not buying it ;)


1,664 posted on 02/10/2005 3:45:25 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: shubi
What is confusing to some people is you have to heat certain chemical reactions to initiate the reaction. So, it seems you are adding outside heat and not producing more heat. But the flame from a Bunsen burner is conversion of CH4 to energy.

You only have to add heat to raise it to the ignition temperature. For some combustionables, the ignition temperature is less than ambient and you need no "spark" to set it off. In a diesel engine, you increase pressure to build up temperature to the ignition temperature. In a gasoline engine, we "spark it" to get it (locally) to the ignition temperature.

1,665 posted on 02/10/2005 3:47:20 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: shubi

The air seperated the firmament that was the seas from the firmament above. Pararphrasing, I'll dust the Bible off in a bit and read the passage. Firmament meant water. I have heard it said when the firmament above collasped, for lack of a btter word, the earth flooded.


1,666 posted on 02/10/2005 3:47:31 PM PST by HankReardon
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To: shubi

well, the epicureans came up with a physical model of microscopic matter similar in suprising ways to basic molecular chemistry and physics, but I have no need to ascribe the results of their deductive reasoning to divine inspiration or extraterrestrial technology transfer


1,667 posted on 02/10/2005 3:47:31 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

Earthly "gods"; money, sex, power.....


1,668 posted on 02/10/2005 3:48:45 PM PST by HankReardon
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To: SubSailor
What is stupid is to summarily dismiss that which we don't fully understand, be it scientific or spiritual.

We don't dismiss the spiritual, we eliminate it from science since science cannot address spirituality.

1,669 posted on 02/10/2005 3:49:54 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: garybob; Dimensio

LOL Twisting and turning on a burning spit does not get you away from the fact that origin of life is not contained in the ToE.

"without any sort of "instructions"

Obviously, life had some sort of instructions when first formed, but they have changed in multiple ways since then and produced a variety of new life forms through biological evolution.

Biologists didn't invent the evolutionary tree. They constructed it from mountains of data. That it is not correct in every detail in no way diminishes the truth of it. If you want to argue that a detail wrong diminishes the whole, then you need to discard the Bible.



1,670 posted on 02/10/2005 3:50:46 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: SubSailor

I don't disagree at all with the thoughts and sentiments you just expressed.

if the religious would kindly cease attempting to call their faith a science, and our science a faith, we'd all get along much better.


1,671 posted on 02/10/2005 3:50:57 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout
but I have no need to ascribe the results of their deductive reasoning to divine inspiration or extraterrestrial technology transfer

Time to dust of the old proof.

Proof of ID

1,672 posted on 02/10/2005 3:52:58 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: HankReardon

There is a lot of evidence for God, you just don't know what it is.

Faith founded on fact is stronger than a faith based on "the trees and mountains are beautiful". Instead of attacking biology and science, you should go take a good course in Theology.


1,673 posted on 02/10/2005 3:53:44 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: PatrickHenry
From the article

"In this particular case, you can't really rely on the dentition, however," Boisserie said. "Teeth are the best preserved and most numerous fossils, and analysis of teeth is very important in paleontology, but they are subject to lots of environmental processes and can quickly adapt to the outside world. So, most characteristics are not dependable indications of relationships between major groups of mammals. Teeth are not as reliable as people thought."

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"Our study is the most complete to date, including lots of different taxa and a lot of new characteristics," Boisserie said. "Our results are very robust and a good alternative to our findings is still to be formulated."

Use a hammer and you can make it fit.

1,674 posted on 02/10/2005 3:54:51 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: HankReardon

That is just a rationalization. If you do not fully understand the significance of Christ's Resurrection, your teaching in Christianity is sadly lacking. Your pastor should be horsewhipped. (not literally) ;-)


1,675 posted on 02/10/2005 3:55:35 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: WildTurkey

Are you really so ignorant of evolutionary theory to believe that we evolved from apes or are you just a troll injecting the rediculous into the argument for disruption's sake?

Newbie, before you call someone a "troll", you better look to see how long they've been on FR. I'll still be here long after you've been banned for your constant personal attacks.

Why don't you explain then where man evolved from? Or is the sum total of what you post consist of insults and bile? You better worry less about "trolls" (which, by the way your posts are far more troll-like) and worry more about your ill-mannered, rude behavior.

1,676 posted on 02/10/2005 3:57:09 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: King Prout

Ok, just go out and have a few beers and reconsider. LOL


1,677 posted on 02/10/2005 3:57:48 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi

Hmmm.... "What the heck does all that have to do with biological evolution of the whale?"


hehe Gotcha! Whooohooo

Just kidding. :-)


1,678 posted on 02/10/2005 4:03:36 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: King Prout
if the religious would kindly cease attempting to call their faith a science, and our science a faith, we'd all get along much better.

Amen. And if the scientific would kindly stop referring to the religious as superstitious and idiotic because of their faith that too would help.

1,679 posted on 02/10/2005 4:04:52 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: shubi

Oh. Well, you get the idea from looking at the drawings of the functions. No matter how much you zoom in or out, the figure looks kind of the same. It's the same thing over and over on bigger and smaller scales, no limit.


1,680 posted on 02/10/2005 4:05:02 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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