The link between Schiavo case and Hitler's rise

Olive Tree Ministries ^ | 3-21-2005 | Jan Markell

[afraidfortherepublic]

Amen and Amen!

[afraidfortherepublic]

...unfortunately, if Terri would not have wanted this, it is done.

Youor words are chillingly reminiscent of Pontius Pilate.

[truth_seeker]

"This kind of lunacy merely feeds the MSM's insatiable desire to discredit the right in any way it can."

The "right" is not one single constituency, but several sub-sets.

And when a sub-set is thrust into the news, you bet the magnifying glass will be put on them.

[MACVSOG68]

Youor words are chillingly reminiscent of Pontius Pilate.

Great, now you may want to join the other thread where I am getting flamed for also believing that Terri Schiavo is not Jesus Christ.

[tomahawk]

No, the Nazis didn't give their victims a chance to litigate, this is true.

Again, though, I don't believe anyone is saying that this equates to what the Nazis did, merely that the reasoning is similar. The "they're better off dead", "they shouldn't live" argument.

Also, although there was a legal process in this case, it was completely shoddy in that the judge clearly is not interested in her actual condition, in that he disregards competent medical opinion to the contrary without having her re-tested. A life is in the balance, and he will not allow tests. The appellate courts defer to the trial judge in part because the standard of review is so high.

[tomahawk]

Exactly. There is a similarity in the arguments being offered to justify killing Terri (who is not terminally ill) as were used to kill the disabled in Germany.

[tomahawk]

You have made your wishes clear about your life and body and your wishes should be honored.

Your wishes should not apply to another human being, however.

[tomahawk]

Sorry, on reading your post again, I now realize you weren't saying others should be killed in these circumstances because you wouldn't want to live. Apologies.

[MACVSOG68]

Again, though, I don't believe anyone is saying that this equates to what the Nazis did, merely that the reasoning is similar. The "they're better off dead", "they shouldn't live" argument.

Unfortunately, they are linking this with Nazism, and the reasoning is not similar in the slightest.

Also, although there was a legal process in this case, it was completely shoddy in that the judge clearly is not interested in her actual condition, in that he disregards competent medical opinion to the contrary without having her re-tested.

While I have serious doubts, obviously the judges did not. There was also substantial medical opinion to the effect that Schiavo was in a PVS, and that much of the brain was no longer present. But, to me the only issue is the weight of evidence supporting Terri's desires. On this, the judge accepted the statements of, I believe, 5 witnesses. Perhaps he should have considered more. But in any case, this hardly equates to comparisons with the Third Reich.

[MTOrlando]

On this, the judge accepted the statements of, I believe, 5 witnesses. Perhaps he should have considered more. But in any case, this hardly equates to comparisons with the Third Reich.

Sounds like ancient Roman law. Find some "witnesses", admit hearsay as evidence, speedy trial and then execution.

[cubreporter]

We ARE headed in this direction ... sad but true.

[MACVSOG68]

Sounds like ancient Roman law. Find some "witnesses", admit hearsay as evidence, speedy trial and then execution.

Right. If our analogy to Hitler won't fly let's try the crucifiction. The MSM must be having a field day with these threads.

[supercat]

On this, the judge accepted the statements of, I believe, 5 witnesses. Perhaps he should have considered more. But in any case, this hardly equates to comparisons with the Third Reich.

A diagnosis of PVS means a doctor did not find any sign of cognition. Three doctors, hired by Michael, didn't find any because they didn't look very hard (looking seriously for signs of congition requires more than an hour exam, but none of Michael's "doctors" spent even that long). Two doctors hired by the Schindlers spent longer describing Terri, and were able to describe specific signs of cognition that they found.

The notion that 'majority rules' diagnosis makes any sense under such circumstances is absurd. It would be analagous to a drug smuggler arguing that since three of the cops searching his property didn't find any drugs, and only two of them found drugs, there weren't really any drugs.

[supercat]

Sounds like ancient Roman law. Find some "witnesses", admit hearsay as evidence, speedy trial and then execution.

But the Romans were nice enough to moisten Christ's tongue at least. King George forbids even that.

[MTOrlando]

Right. If our analogy to Hitler won't fly let's try the crucifiction. The MSM must be having a field day with these threads.

Do you dispute that ancient Roman law and courts allowed hearsay as evidence, on which an execution could be ordered?

Do you dispute that hearsay was used in this trial as the basis for issuing a death warrant?

[Texas Federalist]

I don't think these people are intimating that America is Nazi Germany. I think there are a few stiking similarities between the justifications the left has put forward for murdering Shiavo and the justifications the Nazi regime put forward to the public to support mercy killings. As long as an intelligent analysis is made, I don't see anything wrong with using one of the most notable examples in recent history of a government gone awry as a litmus test to see if our own government is overstepping. This comparison needs to be made to see where the slipperly slope leads.

P.S. The Jesus comparison is a bit freaky though.

[tomahawk]

I believe there were 3 "witnesses" in total, M. Schiavo and two of his blood relatives.

[MTOrlando]

But the Romans were nice enough to moisten Christ's tongue at least. King George forbids even that.

I wasn't trying to bring religion into it - just pointing out that the operation of law in this case is substantially similar to that in the Roman Empire. And we all know where that got the Romans.

[k2blader]

Bump.