Terri Schiavo Cremated Amid Family Feud

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[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Terri Schiavo Cremated Amid Family Feud

Saturday, April 02, 2005

TAMPA, Fla.  Terri Schiavo's body was cremated Saturday as disagreements continued between her husband and her parents, who were unable to have their own independent expert observe her autopsy.

The cremation was carried out according to a court order issued Tuesday establishing that Michael Schiavo () had the right to make such decisions, said his lawyer, George Felos. He said plans for burying her ashes in Pennsylvania, where she grew up, had not yet been completed.

Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had wanted to bury their daughter in Pinellas County so they could visit her grave.

Terri Schiavo, 41, died Thursday after the removal of the feeding tube that had kept her alive since 1990, when she suffered brain damage that court-appointed doctors determined had placed her in a persistent vegetative state (). Her parents had fought in court to keep her alive, disputing the doctors' opinions and saying there was hope of improvement.

Full article here

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Amazing that with a little alphabet network PR, a good neurologist like Dr. H can be discredited and utterly humiliated while a psychotic death-worshipper like Ronald Cranford is held in the highest esteem.

"Just as every cop is a criminal, and the sinners saints...", as the song says. We're through the looking glass, no boutadoubtit. It doesn't get any more ass-backwards than this.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Are your paychecks coming directly from the "Flag"?

C'mon, level with me. It's just me and you... I won't tell anyone. Promise.

[Fred Nerks]

No, it does not get any more ass-backwards than this, as you say. I am now of the impression many think that because Terri was once over-weight, she brought this catastrophe upon herself. There are comments abounding that indicate to me many Freepers have the attention-span of a gnat, cannot read, and have no interest in seeking the truth. The battle now seems confined to defence of the status-quo - Terri's dead, everything was 'legal' so what's all the fuss about?
Seems it's true, citizens end up with the government they deserve, and Greer, Felos and MS will get away with it.
Florida law will remain the handmaiden of Scientology, and I am ever so pleased that I live in Australia, a country with public medical facilities where such a travesty could never take place.
Terri suffered from a spinal injury. She belonged in a hospital where she would have been treated. A guardian who refuses medical treatment in Australia faces charges of criminal negligence.

[snarkytart]

>>>>>>Amazing that with a little alphabet network PR, a good neurologist like Dr. H can be discredited and utterly humiliated while a psychotic death-worshipper like Ronald Cranford is held in the highest esteem.<<<<<<<<<

I agree.

It is funny that they try discredit Dr.H over something unrelated to his competency as a doctor.

Cranford is a hired gun by the right to die crowd everytinme they need an ":expert" to diagnose someone with PVS in court case..
He sees PVS everywhere he looks. He has an agenda.
Yet he has a nerve to get on TV and say that Terri's case is only a big deal because of religious nuts getting involved.
HE IS THE ONE WHO IS A CULTIST.

As soon as I saw Dr Ben Carson talk about PVS I knew Cranford was BS.

Carson refused to comment on this case specifically because he has not read all the court docs etc. HOWEVER Carson said that PVS is a rare condition and more than a CAT scan is needed for a proper diagnosis because a large percentage of PVS diagnosis have been incorrect. I had no idea until I heard Carson speak that PVS is rare and that it has a HIGH error rate of misdiagnosis.

[Fred Nerks]

I suppose we can weigh the veracity of Dr H diagnosis in direct proportion to the amount of mud slinging he has had to put up with, the Net is full of it!
If he wasn't so eminently qualified, they wouldn't bother.

[Jorge]

Broken bones and brain scan evidence ---- G O N E

If there ever was such "evidence" why would it disappear now?

[Jorge]

Crawl back under that rock you have been hiding a----ole.

Why don't you.
Last thing this board need is more mindless one-line insults.

[Fred Nerks]

Centre fo Bioethics - University of Minnesota Ronald Cranford, MD, a neurologist and medical ethicist, is Assistant Chief in Neurology at the Hennepin County Medical Center (HCMC), Minneapolis, Minnesota; Professor of Neurology, University of Minnesota Medical School; and Faculty Associate, Center for Bioethics, University of Minnesota. He was Director of the Neurological Intensive Care Unit at the Hennepin County Medical Center from 1971 to 1991. Dr. Cranford has specialized in the field of clinical ethics since the early 1970s. During this time, he served as a consultant to several national commissions on right-to-die issues. These included the President's Commission for the Study of Ethical Problems in Medicine and Biomedical and Behavioral Research, primarily the reports on "Defining Death" and "Deciding to Forego Life-Sustaining Treatment" and the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws on the Uniform Determination of Death Act and the Uniform Rights of the Terminally Ill Act. He was a member of the panel that formulated the Hastings Center's "Guidelines on Termination of Treatment and the Care of the Dying" and the project consultant to the National Center of State Courts' project on "Guidelines for State Court Decision Making in Authorizing or Withholding Life-Sustaining Medical Treatment." Recently, he was co-chairman of the Multisociety Task Force on Medical Aspects of the Persistent Vegetative State. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bioethics.umn.edu/faculty/cranford_r.shtml

[Fred Nerks]

Terri Shindler Schiavo Bone Scan:
http://www.earnedmedia.org/bonescan.htm

[Jorge]

I just stopped crying again. That poor poor woman. How she must have been screaming out in her head for something to drink.

Stop torturing yourself. You don't know this.

In fact you don't know that she wasn't crying out for 15 years to be released from the terrible existence she was trapped in.

People write living wills all the time to make sure they are not sustained by such medical measures.
We can debate forever if it's right or wrong, but under the law we have the right to chose.

[supercat]

I had no idea until I heard Carson speak that PVS is rare and that it has a HIGH error rate of misdiagnosis.

What makes the high rate of misdiagnosis even more frightening is the extent to which a diagnosis can be self-fulfilling, especially when combined with FelosLogic which dictates that once a patient is diagnosed PVS, all obligations to provide therapy cease (FELOS ACTUALLY SAID THIS) despite (or BECAUSE OF) the fact that ceasing therapy reduces the likelihood of the person ever becoming visibly cognitive.

[supercat]

In fact you don't know that she wasn't crying out for 15 years to be released from the terrible existence she was trapped in

If she had been, it wouldn't have taken thirteen days to kill her.

[antceecee]

I hope she haunts Michael for the rest of his life.

[Jorge]

So why wasn't this investigated?

And don't tell me it's because Michael blocked it.

If he was suspected of abuse and the evidence was reasonable, there would have been an investigation.

[processing please hold]

Go away.....

[jonrick46]

Well said. Now let's hope the autopsy can reveal what so far has been swept under the rug. I am thinking that this autopsy has caught Schiavo off guard. From what I can tell, they were expecting to cremate the "evidence" before anyone could get any clues. Judge Greer thought he could hold off Congress with the "shall" wording. What he did not anticipate was the autopsy as required by Florida statute. I am hoping the autopsy reveals what we have long suspected: foul play by Michael Schiavo. Heads will roll if there is.

[antceecee]

You know people decide a lot of things before they are in the actual situation (not that Terri did - her supposed decision was HEARSAY by a husband who had moved on). I wanted to have natural childbirth NO DRUGS, at least until I was in the middle of having my daughter and they discovered she was FULL BREACH!!! Boy, what I would have given for that epidural at that moment! I had to endure pain for 4 hours up until they could knock me completely out and perform a caesarian section. Oh, yeah... earth momma I am NOT! Advance directive my ass! (literally).

[Fred Nerks]

You threw the dice, landed on a black hole, lose a turn, go back to the start, read every thread, follow all the links, research, presto! Questions answered.
(In Australia we call that doing the hard yards, mate.)

And I'm too tired to walk you through it, sorry.

[Jorge]

If she had been, it wouldn't have taken thirteen days to kill her.

How do you know this?

There are people with terminal diseases who desire to die but their bodies have a strength to keep going far longer.

It happens.

[antceecee]

beautifully said Fred....