[Campion]

Do all the millions of martyrs that died to bring freedom from Rome not mean anything at all?

There were no "millions of martyrs," except in the fevered brains of Protestant polemicists.

There were many thousands killed on both sides, though. When the Lutheran armies overran Rome in 1527, the Romans thought they were witnessing the Apocalypse. Protestants have a wonderful knack for forgetting the sins of their forefathers, or dissociating themselves from those forefathers entirely. (They weren't "real Christians," you know.)

My wife used to have a rather funny book of Anglican apologetics, which blamed the Reformation on Henry VIII, whom it described as (quoting) "a vicious man and a Roman Catholic". (If Henry VIII was a Roman Catholic, what does that make the Catholic martyrs Henry had beheaded because they refused to recognize him as "Head of the Church in England" [sic]?)

[DaveyB]

... There were no "millions of martyrs," except in the fevered brains of Protestant polemicists....

Let's see there was the Waldensians (sp?), the lollards, the Huguenots, the Lutherans (over 100,000 in the first year alone), let's not forget the battles with Sweeden after King Adolphus was killed then there is the puritans and the covenanters and that is just a couple hundred years in Europe. If we include Africa and South America not to mention the battles with Eastern Orthodox... well maybe just a couple of million.

... or dissociating themselves from those forefathers entirely ...
Your right it was damn foolish of Wycliffe to let himself be dug up and burned like that - that what you get after all for translating the Bible and Luther should never of stopped Tetzel after all indulgences are the best fund raiser since bingo.

Morn for your pope... just don't expect me to

[fortheDeclaration]

There were no "millions of martyrs," except in the fevered brains of Protestant polemicists.

We are not talking about the religious wars, but those who the Church deemed heretics and killed.

That stated very early and didn't end until the religious wars put an end to Rome's reign of terror.

[Conservative til I die]

Protestants have a wonderful knack for forgetting the sins of their forefathers, or dissociating themselves from those forefathers entirely. (They weren't "real Christians," you know.)

No Protestant has ever sinned, don't you know? That's the domain of the Popish Romanists.

They also all follow correct doctrine too, even though we're at about 27,000 distinct interpretations.

[Conservative til I die]

Protestants have a wonderful knack for forgetting the sins of their forefathers, or dissociating themselves from those forefathers entirely. (They weren't "real Christians," you know.)

No Protestant has ever sinned, don't you know? That's the domain of the Popish Romanists.

They also all follow correct doctrine too, even though we're at about 27,000 distinct interpretations.

[Mr. Lucky]

Lutheran armies overran Rome in 1527...

Hello?

[rwfromkansas]

John Hus, murdered by the Catholic Church for trying to get the Word of God into the hands of the people:

[Maigrey]

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