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(Seattle) Monorail's building, debt costs balloon to $11 billion (sold to voters as $2 billion!)
Seattle Post-Intelligence ^ | 6/22/05 | JANE HADLEY

Posted on 06/22/2005 10:31:07 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat

t will cost more than $11 billion to pay for the 14-mile monorail Green Line project and the debt to finance it, according to documents made public yesterday.

That's more than triple what Sound Transit will pay for construction and debt service for its 14-mile light rail line from downtown Seattle to Tukwila.

The total also is more than five times the construction tab alone for the monorail, a ratio that troubles state Treasurer Mike Murphy.

"You've got to be kidding me," Murphy said yesterday. "That's ludicrous."

He said the typical principal and interest payments on a state project amount to double the construction cost of the project. That ratio would suggest a total cost of less than $4 billion for the $1.9 billion monorail.

Monorail officials said Monday that they would overcome budget obstacles by extending collection of a Seattle car-tab tax until 2050 or beyond. Murphy said the state ordinarily does not issue bonds longer than 25 years, because there is no "economic advantage."

In addition, the monorail expects to pay higher interest rates than Sound Transit -- up to 7 or 8 percent for junk bonds, which will pay for part of the project Seattle voters narrowly approved in 2002.

The monorail has been forced into some unconventional financing arrangements because the project is about 20 percent more expensive than expected and because its motor-vehicle excise tax revenue is 30 percent less than expected. Seattle residents pay 1.4 percent annually of the state-calculated value of their vehicles.

OnTrack, which bills itself as a monorail watchdog group, was critical of the tax extension plan.

"There's a huge price with extending the term of the bonds out as long as they're going," said OnTrack policy analyst Krista Camenzind, calling $11 billion "an amazing amount of money to pay for bonds."

"The kids who graduated from high school this month will be paying this monorail tax for their entire working life and maybe into their retirement, but they had no say in planning or approving the Green Line," she said.

City Councilman Richard Conlin, who has been a monorail skeptic, said it's too early to draw any conclusions, but he added: "When I heard there was 45 years of payments, it's troubling. I really need to look at that very carefully."

Of the $11 billion in debt service, he said, "That's a ton of money."

The City Council must ultimately approve construction of the West Seattle to Crown Hill line on city streets.

Longtime monorail critic Henry Aronson said the extended tax bite would make it difficult and perhaps impossible for Seattle to pay for other transportation projects, such as any future monorail lines, extending light rail or replacing the Alaskan Way Viaduct and the state Route 520 bridge.

"The monorail board seems perfectly happy to mortgage four generations of taxpayers to pay for one-fifth of the monorail plan offered to the voters in 2002," he said.

Monorail spokeswoman Natasha Jones said the $11 billion number looks big because it includes inflated future dollars.

"It does look like a big number when you get out that far," she said. "We opted to spread that over a larger period of time. These are choices we all make in our everyday life. Do you pay off your mortgage in 15 years or do you spread it out over 30 years?"

Jones noted that the monorail is a "tangible asset," not clothes or food or a trip. "This is a 100-year system we're aiming for," she said.

It's reasonable not to put the entire cost on current users, she said.

Paying for future extensions of the monorail or other transportation projects "is a discussion the community will need to have," she said. "They can look at federal dollars or other taxing mechanisms."

Murphy, the state treasurer, said he ordinarily does not get involved in local issues but made an exception for the monorail.

"I have a several-inch-thick file on these guys. Everything I have seen just does not pencil out," he said. Murphy says he does not believe the monorail will have enough income from the car tab tax to pay for the debt.

He said the monorail's finance director, Jonathan Buchter, recently asked for a meeting, but Murphy told Buchter he had already met several times with him and "now I want to meet with your board." A meeting is set for early July. State Auditor Brian Sonntag, who is also concerned about the project, also plans to be present.

"When we see folks going off the deep end, we feel it's important to comment on it," Murphy said. "The number keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and they haven't turned a spade of dirt yet. That's the issue for me. I would never ever, ever indebt the state of Washington in the way they are indebting the citizens of the city of Seattle. It's unconscionable what they're doing."

The Seattle Monorail Project released its voluminous report Monday detailing finances. Buchter has insisted that the numbers do pencil out. However, he was gone yesterday and will be for the rest of the week, Jones said.

Murphy said the monorail "did a tricky thing" when it told voters debt would be capped at $1.5 billion in 2002 dollars. That means that the debt is "an open-ended deal" and the more time passes, the higher the debt cap is.

Richard Borkowski, president of People for Modern Transit, said there are many uncertainties hanging over the project.

"The price keeps going up and they're delivering much less than what was voted on," he said. "They're buying fewer trains, the frequency is less, there are fewer stations."

Jones said the critics have been claiming "the sky is falling" for the past three years.

"We've risen to every challenge that's been thrown our way," she said. "We've been able to do all the things critics have said we couldn't do. We've done a great thing. We've delivered an elevated-automated transit system citizens have been clamoring for decades."

The project will bring 2,100 jobs every year for construction, she noted. The monorail is scheduled to open Dec. 1, 2010.

MONORAIL COSTS

To pay for the 14-mile monorail project and the debt to finance it, more than $11 billion will be required. That's more than triple what Sound Transit will pay for construction and debt service for its 14-mile light rail line from downtown Seattle to Tukwila.

# Monorail construction costs and debt service: $11 billion.

# Sound Transit's Central Line construction cost and debt service: $3.24 billion.


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To: finnman69
And in NYC the antis went banana over less than $1 billion for the West Side Stadium which is now dead.

Perhaps they knew the estimate was as worthless as this one.

41 posted on 06/22/2005 11:30:53 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: thefactor

I hate it when I'm not quick enough.


42 posted on 06/22/2005 11:37:27 AM PDT by eyespysomething ( A penny saved is a government oversight)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Anyone who has ever ridden the existing monorail on a (rare)hot summer day in Seattle will tell you it is like being a bug under a magnifying glass. Hop the new one is better. They will have to run a lot of tourists on the thing to recover 11 Billion. I predict a typical unused mass transit failure


43 posted on 06/22/2005 11:40:37 AM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: All

Don't you get it...this is Seattle math. $2 billion means $11 billion...once they do their "studies", environmental impacts, assessments, and then hire 100 union guys to stand around and look busy. Then they get their paid breaks, lunchs, disappearing while works.

I hate Seattle...I guess that is why I only work in it and live far outside the city.


44 posted on 06/22/2005 11:42:50 AM PDT by Abram
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"This is a 100-year system we're aiming for," she said.

And there is part of the problem. Consider ... 100 years ago, where was the automobile? the airplane? Would it make sense to lock in the technology of the Model-T or the Wright flyer? When they exceed the expected technological life span to make the financing work, it is a problem. A huge one. All you have here are pigs at the public trough.

45 posted on 06/22/2005 11:46:55 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Same stuff, different democRAT [this tagline rated PG-13])
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To: Diddle E. Squat

~$1,000,000,000 per mile. Hmmm..... Buying chauffered limosines for all the actual users would be cheaper.


46 posted on 06/22/2005 11:54:33 AM PDT by Faraday
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To: Faraday
Heck, a private, chauffeur driven helicopter ride for every rider would be cheaper!

"Where the hell are our hover cars? They promised us hover cars!" - "Red" Forman, That 70's Show
47 posted on 06/22/2005 12:23:25 PM PDT by rockrr (Gregorovych Nyet!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Original projected cost: $2 billion

Updated projected cost: $11 billion

Actual cost: Priceless, because the Environuts in Seattle will be assuaging their consciences by doing something for the Earth, and that can't be measured in monetary costs.


48 posted on 06/22/2005 12:28:53 PM PDT by Guillermo (The last competent French General lies in Napoleon's Tomb.)
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To: flashbunny
"You could do the same thing by hiring a group of people to break car windows and another group to repair the same car windows. Voila! Employment for a bunch of people! don't say that. you'll only encourage our MN legislators.
49 posted on 06/22/2005 12:33:42 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (don't piss on my koran and tell me it's raining.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Light rail, monorail, subway etc. systems are not cost-effective to build now. Express bus systems (Bus Rapid Transit) are much cheaper and they get the job done just as effectively, if not more so.

Chapter 3: Curitiba Experience

Bus Rapid Transit Policy Center

One item in a presentation about the Dulles Rail program outside of DC indicated that BRT will replace a planned monorail expansion in Las Vegas.

50 posted on 06/22/2005 12:38:16 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: mysterio

I agree. I would add the new Unigov plan, Bart Peterson's bail-out for Center Twp.


51 posted on 06/22/2005 12:42:09 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Patti_ORiley
It's not the cost of the Monorail that's costing $11 billion, it's the cost of that prime property on Lake Washington. You have to realize that a top dog in the Metro bureaucracy does not come cheap. They want their perks of the position even if it means cost overruns and a tax burden that drives more hard working families out of Seattle.
52 posted on 06/22/2005 12:55:52 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Hodar

I thought you'd find this interesting.


53 posted on 06/22/2005 12:58:47 PM PDT by zlala (I used to have a handle on life but it broke.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Railroad, Steamboat, River and Canal,
Yonder comes a sucker, and Seattle got his money.


54 posted on 06/22/2005 1:02:32 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

But on the plus side, the monorail put Ogdenville, North Haverbrook, and Brockway on the map.


55 posted on 06/22/2005 1:14:29 PM PDT by PatoLoco
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To: Diddle E. Squat

For that $11 billion, they could rebuild and widen EVERY freeway in the metropolitan area, build a massive bus, passenger ferry and light rail network and STILL have lots of money to spare!


56 posted on 06/22/2005 1:53:58 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Monorail spokeswoman Natasha Jones said the $11 billion number looks big because it includes inflated future dollars.

"It does look like a big number when you get out that far," she said.

And why did financing "get out that far"? Because it's a huge number!

57 posted on 06/22/2005 1:58:39 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Come on now folks, $900,000,000 per mile is actually cheap I tell you... //sacrasm now off
58 posted on 06/22/2005 2:00:15 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
yet further proof that no mass transit system ever makes money.

This fiasco will be in the red forever and then wehn it breaks down in two to five years (as all these things do) there will be no money to repair it.

they should have just financed it with NEA money because like most of the trash that NEA funds this will just sit there, look ugly, and be useless

59 posted on 06/22/2005 2:27:38 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: finnman69
And in NYC the antis went banana over less than $1 billion for the West Side Stadium which is now dead.

Amen. Let the bridge and tunnel crowd pay for their own stadium in Jersey.

60 posted on 06/22/2005 2:30:49 PM PDT by Clemenza (Frylock is my Homeboy)
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