[ScreamingFist]

Dear NYT's, the Humvee is a replacement for the Jeep. As a JEEP, it functions just fine. As an armored carrier it sucks...try to get it right just once.....

[neverdem]

XM1117

Rhino Runner

Cougar

[ScreamingFist]

HMMWV

Mission
Provide a common light tactical vehicle capability. Replaced the quarter-ton jeep, M718A1 ambulance, half-ton Mule, 1.25-ton Gamma Goat, and M792 ambulance.

Entered Army Service
1985

Description and Specifications
The HMMWV (High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle) is a light, highly mobile, diesel-powered, four-wheel-drive vehicle equipped with an automatic transmission. Based on the M998 chassis, using common components and kits, the HMMWV can be configured to become a troop carrier, armament carrier, S250 shelter carrier, ambulance, TOW missile carrier, and a Scout vehicle.

[kahoutek]

".......an examination by The New York Times has found."

An examination by whom? Jason Blaire?

As the above poster points out, most politely, the HUMVEE was never meant to be armored, but since the scum at the NYT times deem it necessary to be so, it is now a shortcoming of the Bush administration.

If that's what the guppies that read the NYT have to look forward to each day, good luck sorting it out.

[68skylark]

As much as I hate the culture of negativism at the Times, sometimes they stumble on the truth.

I think everyone would agree that the Pentagon procurement system has never worked well -- it's never had the flexibility we'd like.

It's stupid to blame this on the Bush Administration, who are doing more than anyone to modernize all our defense systems. Congress is more to blame than anyone.

[ncountylee]

"By the time an Army National Guard member complained to Mr. Rumsfeld in December that troops were still scrounging for steel to fortify their Humvees, the Pentagon's troubles with armoring vehicles had been years in the making."

No mention that this was a MSM planted question, not a Guard member complaint.

[TGOGary]

Armor on the humpv does only one thing. Helps protect you from small arms fire. If a (Russian made) RPG can take out an M1A1, what good is hanging some thin plated armor on a hummer?

[SJSAMPLE]

And what would the NYT say when we blew up the DOD budget by providing DEDICATED wheeled armored vehicles in place of every HMMWV?