Posted on 07/01/2005 9:55:00 AM PDT by Rhadaghast
May 11, 2005 Host: Vic Eliason Topic: False Doctrine Guest: David DiCanio Description: Dr. David DiCanio is Pastor of Columbine Free Presbyterian Church in Columbine, Colorado, and is involved in Christian Media, which produces television-style documentaries on religious trends and movements. Vic Eliason presents two audio cuts. One features Robert Schuller being interviewed by Dr. David DiCanio after giving a keynote address at the 2004 National Association of Evangelicals meeting. The other cut features Robert Schuller interviewing Billy Graham. The two discuss their views concerning how people are saved.
Dr. DiCanio interacts with callers to discuss the opinions expressed by Schuller and Graham and the current move of some leaders in Christianity to preach a gospel that teaches salvation apart from a conscious, biblical awareness of Christ as the only way to God.
Contact Info: info@thechristianmedia.com www.thechristianmedia.com
Rare recordings of great preachers of the past are posted by Dr. DiCanio's church at
http://www.sermonaudio.com/columbine Listen: RealAudio Windows Media
That sounds rather like you have once chance..... only one. If you are "saved" and then you back slide you are destined for hell because you probably never meant it anyway.
I don't think so.
kinda puts that whole klintoon thingy in a new perspective under and a new light doesn't it???
I don't see this thread as any "witch hunt". It's just the ruminations over another pc statement uttered by Billy Grahm. This is nothing new out of him. He has been a Democrat all his life and has made numerous pc statements through out his ministry.
There are links posted to the audio.
That's a great way to pparaphrase it, actually. It's Romans 1.
You have to know about Jesus to be "Saved". "Saved" refers to being Saved from your sins, not just going to Heaven. Sin just doesn't wash off in the rain. It takes the blood of Jesus.
There is no point in which an unbeliever "loses" his sins unless it occurs in the afterlife. See Romans3
Rom 3:7-26
(7) For if in my lie the truth has more abounded to His glory why am I still judged as a sinner?
(8) And not rather, (as we are wrongly accused, and as some affirm that we say), Let us do bad things that good may come? Their condemnation is just.
(9) What then? Do we excel? No, in no way; for we have before charged both Jews and Greeks all with being under sin,
(10) as it is written: "There is none righteous, no not one;
(11) there is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God."
(12) "They are all gone out of the way, they have together become unprofitable, there is none that does good, no, not one."
(19) But we know that whatever things the Law says, it says to those who are under the Law; so that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may be under judgment before God,
(20) because by the works of the Law none of all flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law is the knowledge of sin.
(21) But now a righteousness of God has been revealed apart from Law, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets;
(22) even the righteousness of God through the faith of Jesus Christ, toward all and upon all those who believe. For there is no difference,
(23) for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,
(24) being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;
(25) whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness through the passing by of the sins that had taken place before, in the forbearance of God;
(26) for the display of His righteousness at this time, for Him to be just and, forgiving the one being of the faith of Jesus.
Nevertheless, the Clintons could use as much exposure to men of God as possible and I hope God uses that exposure to draw them to Him.
I think at some point everyone will be given an opportunity to follow Christ.
I think somehow those that don't hear about Christ on earth, I think they will be given an opportunity to follow him after death. This is my opinion.
As for witnessing to non-believers, I just go with:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He sent His only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
>>>I am a non-Chrisitan looking for some education.>>>
I am a Christian needing some education myself. Good thing being a Christian doesn't have to mean you have the entire Bible memorized. But I will do some research and get back with you.
If you choose to reject the Gospel, you are condemned.
But there's no transcript for this "pc statement"? No evidence at all? That's all I'm asking for, yet no one's providing it.
Why would you believe a transcript, if you don't believe what you hear when you listen to the interview? Just curious.
why arent you able to listen to it?
I have no speakers.
You said: Then it would be better to not have missionaries.
Except for the Great Commission (Go ye therefore into all nations....) you might be right.
got it.
the site doesnt look like it supports transcripts so youre prob out of luck. youll just need to go by what others are saying after listening and make your own judgement.
He may have been referring to Romans 1:20 ("For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.") and 2:15 ("...since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.").
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