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Plame, By Any Other Name: Does Rove's current position pass the smell test?
Wash. Post ^ | Monday, July 11, 2005; 1:21 PM | Dan Froooooomkin

Posted on 07/11/2005 12:53:39 PM PDT by rface

There is no longer any question that top presidential adviser Karl Rove is a key player in the Valerie Plame case.

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But let's look at what we can conclude from all this:

· The latest news reports indicate that Rove is the source who Cooper was trying to protect until last week -- and that Rove tipped Cooper about Plame three days before Robert Novak published his now-famous column exposing Plame's identity.

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· Rove and his lawyer's denials that he was involved in telling reporters about Plame now appear to be at best based on Clintonian hairsplitting about whether he literally used her name and identified her as covert or he simply described her as the CIA-employed wife of Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, the administration critic that White House was eager to discredit at the time.

· President Bush and press secretary Scott McClellan's denials that Rove was involved in the Plame matter now appear to be at best based on the position that their responses to broad questions about Rove and Plame were met with narrowly constructed responses specifically about whether Rove leaked "classified information." Or is it possible Rove lied to them?

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If Karl Rove, Bush's top political strategist, longtime friend and deputy chief of staff is actually indicted by Fitzgerald -- which now appears to be a possibility -- it would be an enormous blow to Bush's second term. Until Fitzgerald wraps up his highly secretive investigation, however, that's all just speculation.

So let's ask ourselves some more practical questions instead:

· Does Rove's current position pass the smell test?

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so how bad is it??? Did Limbaugh talk about this issue today - if so how much??
1 posted on 07/11/2005 12:53:39 PM PDT by rface
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To: rface

It's not Rove, it's Scooter Libby. JMHO.


2 posted on 07/11/2005 12:54:32 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: rface
They're still trying to manufacture a scandal, but it's not working and their own guys are going to jail.
3 posted on 07/11/2005 12:55:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: rface
Sounds to me like the OMwhores are ready and set to rake Rove through coals and truth be damned!!!
4 posted on 07/11/2005 12:55:22 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: RoseofTexas

I agree w/ you. The court of "public opinion" (ie. MSM) - will convict Rove but the court of law will not.


5 posted on 07/11/2005 12:56:51 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I agree. Nobody cares about this. The only reason the rabid Left and the MSM are on it because they think they can damage Bush.

This is a non-issue. Breathlessly reporting the details in an effort to make it seem like Watergate only makes the news media look petty and stupid.

6 posted on 07/11/2005 12:58:39 PM PDT by Pete
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To: rface

Ambitious people trying to make a name for themselves by linking the Bush Admin. DemoncRAT ploy? Absolutely!


7 posted on 07/11/2005 12:58:51 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: rface
Boy, they're desperately trying to hang Rove. I say from this point on, the Whitehouse never bother to save another journalist from making an absolute A$$ of themselves.

They pursue this, they're cutting off all sources from the Whitehouse ever.

8 posted on 07/11/2005 12:59:12 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Re#3 Yup. Methinks there will be indictments, but not of Administration officials...


9 posted on 07/11/2005 12:59:53 PM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: rface

Everyone knew in d.c circles that plame was a cia agent and she was the one that sent wilson on the trip.

She wasn't a covert agent.

Rove was just defusing the lie that the cia or white house had sent plame on the trip, it was his wife.

This case is a joke everyone in poilitical circles knew who she was it would be like saying you outed george tenet at the cia, she wasn't a covert agent.

What a waste of time this case is. By the way I don't remember the liberal media going after Sandy Berger.


10 posted on 07/11/2005 1:00:31 PM PDT by johnmecainrino
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To: rface

Actually, what doesn't pass the smell test is the notion Plume was a secret agent working on anything meaningful.


11 posted on 07/11/2005 1:00:34 PM PDT by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!!!)
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To: rface

One thing we can conclude is that Rove saved journalist Cooper from going to jail by allowing Cooper to reveal his source. But Froomkin wouldn't concede an honorable motive on Rove's part.


12 posted on 07/11/2005 1:00:47 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: rface

Let's see, Plame was common knowledge with Washington reporters and they have to prove that Rove knew that she was an undercover agent, not that she simply worked for the CIA in order for there to have been a crime.

Not likely to get very far when it comes down to it.


13 posted on 07/11/2005 1:00:47 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: rface
The White House should have stepped up and said precisely what Rove's involvement was as soon as this controversy began. Now, after two years or so of slogging, it can't help but appear that Rove was involved in some sort of wrongdoing, even if he in fact did nothing wrong.

Always get the possibly hurtful news out yourself, before everybody else. Or, like Hillary, pray that some clever 'enemy' will write a book about you and thereby innoculate you against even the most outrageous of criticisms that might surface once you openly state your intention to become the President of the United States.

14 posted on 07/11/2005 1:01:02 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: rface

Anybody got any proof that Plame was a covert, undercover agent? I haven't seen anything. Like the "Downing Street Memos" created by a Leftist kook, this is just another DemocRAT manufactured "scandal" that isn't going anywhere. Rove never mentioned Plame by name to anybody. No crime. The 'RATS need to try something else.


15 posted on 07/11/2005 1:01:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: All
anyone:

so did Limbaugh discuss this today???

16 posted on 07/11/2005 1:02:18 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: rface

I thought it was rather odd that Wilson started ranting about Rove at the get-go. But it's obvious why the libs hate Rove. He keeps killing them politically.


17 posted on 07/11/2005 1:03:36 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: rface

>>I agree w/ you. The court of "public opinion" (ie. MSM) - will convict Rove but the court of law will not<<

Fortunately, that court (MSM) has very little power now...


18 posted on 07/11/2005 1:04:05 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenance (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: rface

My bet is the jounalists calls someone like Rove after they have the facts and all they want is confirmation ...In short Cooper and Miller and and Novac already knew it before they asked Rove anything


19 posted on 07/11/2005 1:05:17 PM PDT by woofie (Neocon spelled backward is Nocoen)
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To: rface

I say to all of them: Sandy Berger, Sandy Berger, Sandy Berger.


20 posted on 07/11/2005 1:06:01 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: McGavin999

They know Rove will very likely mastermind the next GOP presidential campaign as well. They've got to find a way to stop/smear him....or at least wear him down so he'll go back to TX at the end of this presidents' term.


21 posted on 07/11/2005 1:06:44 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: rface

Rove is the kind of big fish the Rats have been dreaming about bringing down. You can bet they will fan the flames on this one for the rest of Bush's term. Still too early to say if Rove is indictable -- maybe more indictable than convictable, because of the vagueness of the law involved -- but much as it pains to say it, he really could have a problem, at least a bad PR problem. This may finally be the manufactured "scandal" that has some traction for the Rats. Hope I am wrong. On the other hand, it really is inside-the-beltway stuff that should not resonate much with the public, although the Rats will turn it into a never-ending circus of investigations. I just have an uneasy feeling on this one, unlike the other bogus stuff they have thrown at the administration.


22 posted on 07/11/2005 1:06:46 PM PDT by speedy
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To: johnmecainrino

She identified herself in Who's Who. So much for being covert...


23 posted on 07/11/2005 1:07:11 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: snarks_when_bored
The White House should have stepped up and said precisely what Rove's involvement was as soon as this controversy began. Now, after two years or so of slogging, it can't help but appear that Rove was involved in some sort of wrongdoing, even if he in fact did nothing wrong.

I disagree. I don't think the length of time the media beats a dead horse brings it back to life. And I never have, nor do I now, think that anything Rove said compromised Valerie Plame. If there WAS anything real about this, the MSM would have it to talk about. They don't, and never did.

24 posted on 07/11/2005 1:07:32 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: rface
he simply described her as the CIA-employed wife of Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, the administration critic that White House was eager to discredit at the time.

The real question is why is an 'Ambassodor' of the US being a critic of the President. An 'Ambassodor' job is to promote the interest of his country not stab it in the back.

25 posted on 07/11/2005 1:08:13 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
She identified herself in Who's Who. So much for being covert...

She is less covert than Maxwell Smart.

26 posted on 07/11/2005 1:09:39 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Anybody got any proof that Plame was a covert, undercover agent?

I saw a picture of her in sunglasses. That's about it. :-)

27 posted on 07/11/2005 1:09:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: rface

"Does Rove's current position pass the smell test?"

Rove didn't give a name. That's the "identification" dispute.

And what about Cooper's other sources?


28 posted on 07/11/2005 1:09:56 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: rface

how much damage does it do to Wilson & Plame, now that they're exposed as LIARs and scumbags?


29 posted on 07/11/2005 1:11:11 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: anniegetyourgun
Yeah, like that's going to work. :o)

I hope they end up carting Wilson off to prison.

30 posted on 07/11/2005 1:11:24 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Next time any question about Rove's involvement in the Plume case comes to Scott McClellan via the MSM, he needs to fire this response back: Rove didn't out Valerie Plume, but yet you keep beating this dead horse while Sandy Berger stole TOP SECRET documents from the National Archives and you guys are totally M.I.A. as reporters!


31 posted on 07/11/2005 1:11:41 PM PDT by princess leah (\)
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To: woofie

In short Cooper and Miller and and Novac already knew it before they asked Rove anything

True, but unknown what Miller is about, and Novak's first source is unlikely Rove. He described the person as "not a partisan gunslinger." That's isn't Rove.


32 posted on 07/11/2005 1:12:00 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: All

Storm in a teacup..the same folks that are so unbelievably outraged at this couldn't even muster a yawn when Sandy Berger stole secret documents and smuggled them out in his pants.


33 posted on 07/11/2005 1:12:04 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: speedy
I would agree except if you were to ask everyday citizens who Karl Rove is, the majority would say: Who?
Honestly, I believe only political junkies know who Rove is. Therefore, I don't think it will harm Bush as much as the libs are foaming at the mouth for it to.
Add this to their list "impeachment!" screams. LOL
34 posted on 07/11/2005 1:12:31 PM PDT by mosquitobite
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To: DB

That's not Rove's problem, if he has one. The problem could be perjury. Hopefully not.


35 posted on 07/11/2005 1:13:12 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: rface

I don't think most people even have the faintest clue who Valery Plame is, or what it is that Rove is supposed to have done. The whole affair is convoluted, and it depends on propaganda that they ran a whole year ago. Her husband is dropped out of the spotlight, his book has gone from the remainder shelf to the pulp mills, and the only way they can revive this "scandal" is by reviving old lies that are now known to be lies.


36 posted on 07/11/2005 1:13:17 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Judith Anne

But would it be in the news now if it had all come out then? I doubt it.


37 posted on 07/11/2005 1:13:37 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: rface

The author is one ugly Bush-hater.

38 posted on 07/11/2005 1:15:25 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: rface

Dennis knocked out our local AM station that carries Rush. I hear Rove leaked that Dennis was a hurricane on a double secret covert mission.


39 posted on 07/11/2005 1:15:39 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: snarks_when_bored
The White House should have stepped up and said precisely what Rove's involvement was as soon as this controversy began. Now, after two years or so of slogging, it can't help but appear that Rove was involved in some sort of wrongdoing, even if he in fact did nothing wrong.

I have to agree here. If nothing else, it smacks of Clinton-era parsing of the truth.

Then again, once the investigation is over, we may find out that Rove had a very minor role in the whole thing. Only time will tell.

40 posted on 07/11/2005 1:15:44 PM PDT by Terabitten (Illegal immigration causes Representation without Taxation.)
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To: DB
Let's see, Plame was common knowledge with Washington reporters and they have to prove that Rove knew that she was an undercover agent, not that she simply worked for the CIA in order for there to have been a crime.

It also has to be proven that there was malicious intent to do harm for it to rise to a criminal act. Not a chance!!

41 posted on 07/11/2005 1:15:57 PM PDT by River_Wrangler (You can't be lost if you don't care where you're at !)
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To: eureka!

What will the charges be?


42 posted on 07/11/2005 1:17:22 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: rface

No idea...didn't listen. What difference does it make?


43 posted on 07/11/2005 1:17:40 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: rface

Please keep in mind that this article is reporting how other journalists reported as if it were the gospel truth - rumor mongering at its best. Let's get the facts, then decide. The reporters have already tried and convicted Rove on no evidence. Heck, to them he's an effigy of President Bush!


44 posted on 07/11/2005 1:20:11 PM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: eureka!

Methinks yous is right, methinks it is a knave named Wilson who dropped ye old dime on Ms. Plame.


45 posted on 07/11/2005 1:20:12 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: cubreporter

...I seriously doubt K. Rove would lie, not like this. He doesn't strike me as the duplicitous type


46 posted on 07/11/2005 1:21:19 PM PDT by benben
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To: rface

Does the Washington Post pass the smell test? Only with the Dimocrats in Congress.


47 posted on 07/11/2005 1:22:02 PM PDT by hgro (ews)
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To: rface

The Washington post wants to talk about smell?


48 posted on 07/11/2005 1:22:46 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: mosquitobite

I agree with you, mosquitobite. I don't think the public at large will care (although the MSM will try very hard to make it care.) I do think, though, that it could cause problems for Rove himself, even if only because of the major distraction it will be. Plus they'll be getting testimony from Bush and other key officials. This could still be a mess.


49 posted on 07/11/2005 1:23:17 PM PDT by speedy
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To: snarks_when_bored

Maybe, maybe not. But I can assure you, nobody cares about Valery Plame except the MSM. Despite her MSM description, she's old, not hot, and most people who know anything about this case at all think that SHE's the one whose bragging about her supposed covert activities brought this idiocy on. She and her hubby are considered people who don't know how to keep their mouths shut. Wonder what Val's actual clearance level was? Bet it wasn't much. With a hubby like that, it couldn't be.

On the other hand, I know of a LOT of people who know about the recent Supreme Court eminent domain issue, who are absolutely infuriated and quite vocal about it.


50 posted on 07/11/2005 1:25:15 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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