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D.C. judge allows city to buy, seize 33 properties for baseball stadium
TBO.COM ^ | July 8th 2005 | AP

Posted on 08/07/2005 11:29:34 PM PDT by Cougar66

WASHINGTON (AP) - A judge cleared the way for the District of Columbia to take control of the land it needs to build a baseball stadium. U.S. District Judge Richard Roberts rejected a request by property owners for a 30-day injunction that would have prevented the city from buying or seizing 33 properties on the proposed site along the Anacostia River.


TOPICS: Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: eminentdomain; nats; ruling
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To: StayAt HomeMother

Dear StayAt HomeMother,

Actually, the Wikipedia reference to the Washington metropolitan region doesn't include the Baltimore metropolitan region.

The reference under other names is to a previous consolidated metropolitan statistical area comprising both the Washington and Baltimore metropolitan regions, which would approach about 8 million residents (that's off the top of my head, don't hold me strictly to that number).

In round numbers, DC has around 550,000 folks. Montgomery Co, MD (immediately adjacent to DC) has around 900,000 folks. Prince Georges Co, MD (also immediately adjacent to DC) has around 800,000 folks. Northern Virginia has around 1.8 million folks. Without counting the exurbs of northern Maryland, any of West Virginia, or the exurbs of northwestern and central Virginia, the metropolitan core of Washington, DC has around 4 milliion residents.


sitetest


41 posted on 08/08/2005 12:31:14 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother
Should NJ help pay for facilities in New York City and Philadelphia?

Yes, if they have perceived benefits from the location of the stadium and/or other related benefits (hotels, airport, employment opportunities, etc.).

I know I am in the minority on this, but I think construction of multi use facilities, owned by the city/county/state or what ever other government entity, supplies a benefit to the local residents which cannot be fully measured. Other similar government owned buildings are:

Museums, Opera houses/Music Centers, Zoo's, Airports, Harbor facilities.

All of the above serve to allow private businesses to function with assistance from the government. Some call it socialist, but that is a huge stretch of the word, IMHO.

42 posted on 08/08/2005 12:53:30 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Rommel, you magnificent son of bitch.....I READ YOUR BOOK!! - Gen. Patton)
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To: Michael.SF.
DC already DOES enjoy the free-admission Smithsonian and zoo and many other amenities paid for by the whole nation.

The three major airports around but not in DC are a joint DC/MD/VA concern, as is the Metro (public transit).

Funding for operation and replacement of the Wilson Bridge is especially convoluted. This is the bridge that carries I-95, the primary N-S interstate on the East Coast, and DC, MD, VA, and the Feds all have a piece of the action.

But are you proposing VA and MD (and perhaps WV, depending on the definition of “DC metropolitan area”) pay for a stadium over which they had and currently have absolutely no control?

This is especially ironic in that DC license plates claim THEY are the ones being taxed without representation.
43 posted on 08/08/2005 1:49:07 PM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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To: GAB-1955
D.C. is one of the ten biggest cities of the U.S.,

Not anymore

44 posted on 08/08/2005 1:56:04 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: freedomfiter2

As much as I love baseball, a stadium isn't a public use. It's property being seized for a private owner. More fallout from Kelo v. New London.


45 posted on 08/08/2005 2:01:23 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: StayAt HomeMother
But are you proposing VA and MD (and perhaps WV, depending on the definition of “DC metropolitan area”) pay for a stadium over which they had and currently have absolutely no control?

Two comments:

I believe that the spending of public money for the construction of Municipal stadiums is a reasonable use of tax dollars, when done for the ultimate benefit of the citizen's served by the controlling governing body.

If we, the taxpayer's, are going to pay for such a stadium then we should have ultimate control over design, location, full use, when not used for contracted tenants and we should derive a profit from the investment. Such profit should also include increased taxes paid by those associated with the stadium or benefiting from it (Hotel tax, employee tax, parking revenue, etc. etc.
However, such decisions should be fully discussed with the primary tenant (in this case the Nationals).

46 posted on 08/08/2005 2:33:19 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Rommel, you magnificent son of bitch.....I READ YOUR BOOK!! - Gen. Patton)
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To: SALChamps03
More fallout from Kelo v. New London.

You are 45 years (at least) behind the times. As others have said, Dodger Staium was built on land secured through emminent domain. Kelo vs. London had nothing to do with that. There may even be earlier examples.

47 posted on 08/08/2005 2:36:27 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Rommel, you magnificent bastad.....I READ YOUR BOOK!! - Gen. Patton)
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To: Cougar66

Why don't they raze city hall and build their stadium? I'm sure they're not getting a damn nickle for that joint!


48 posted on 08/08/2005 2:38:55 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: Cougar66
I think someone should seize Commerica Park/Ford Field in Detroit and turn them into amusement parks. After all, the 2 teams that play in those venues offer no value ; )

(might also consider turning old Tiger Stadium into a prison....in Detroit they need all the space they can get)

49 posted on 08/08/2005 2:45:03 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo ("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!")
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To: Michael.SF.
I believe that the spending of public money for the construction of Municipal stadiums is a reasonable use of tax dollars, when done for the ultimate benefit of the citizen's served by the controlling governing body.

I am trying to understand your position. Do you believe just city dollars pay for a "municipal" stadium, or the suburbs as well?

What if the suburbs are in different states (e.g., New Jersey communities near Philadelphia and New York City and MD and VA suburbs near DC) and thus are likely to have neither fiscal nor operational control over the stadium? Should they still have to support it with tax dollars (as opposed to / in addition to ticket sales)?

What if the stadium is not in the city but instead in is a suburb, as I think still occurs in the Bloomington stadium outside Minneapolis? Who do you think should pay for and control and operate the stadium then?

50 posted on 08/08/2005 2:53:40 PM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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To: Cougar66

WTF? This is war!!!!!


51 posted on 08/08/2005 2:54:43 PM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: StayAt HomeMother
I am trying to understand your position...

You are asking some questions related to the specifics of some given situations, where I am responding to the general question:

"Should tax dollars be used to finance Municipal Stadiums (baseball or football)?"

My answer to that question is: Yes. It can be a reasonable use of tax dollars to construct such a facility.

As to the specifics of who pays for what and suburbs vs. city or county, well, as the saying goes: "The devil is in the details."

But, I would say if a benefit can be determined, for a certain city, by the construction of a near by stadium in differeing city, then yes, there should be shared costs, profits and decisions.

Case in point: The LA Memorial Coliseum Commission. This entity runs the Coliseum and Sports Arena, which over the years has been home to the: Rams, Dodgers, UCLA, USC, Lakers, Kings and Clippers. It is run jointly by a committee of people appointed by the state, county and city.

They have also proved to be about the worst run agency of it's type in history. They have succeeded in driving off each of their major tenants, except for USC. However, the fact that it is a poorly run entity does not take away from the fact that there can be a system for shared revenues and costs.

52 posted on 08/08/2005 3:30:35 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Rommel, you magnificent bastard.....I READ YOUR BOOK!! - Gen. Patton)
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To: Nick Danger
Air conditioning repair. Mosquito abatement. De-humidifiers.

These are service industries. Nobody goes and opens an air-conditioning repair business where there are no homes and/or offices. Close the government and nearly all such business as you mentioned would close too. By contrast much of the garment industry in NYC disappeared and almost no one who repairs air-conditioners noticed.

ML/NJ

53 posted on 08/08/2005 7:18:32 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Michael.SF.
I don't dispute that it eminent domain hasn't been abused before Kelo v. New London, but that ruling sure has opened the flood gates from what was once comparatively a trickle.
54 posted on 08/08/2005 8:00:30 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Non-Sequitur
The only way Major League Baseball would agree to move the Expos to DC was if the city committed to building a publicly funded stadium. When the DC City council passed an ordinance requiring some private funding for the stadium, Selig threatened to pull the team and send them elsewhere.

They should have told him to get bent. Selig was out of options at that point (MLB's attempt to gin up a bidding war between DC and NoVA fell apart when the Arlington County Board, in one of the few wise and prudent decisions in its history, listened to public demand and rejected the only viable Virginia sites); DC could have driven a much harder bargain.

55 posted on 08/09/2005 5:56:26 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b
Selig was out of options at that point (MLB's attempt to gin up a bidding war between DC and NoVA fell apart when the Arlington County Board, in one of the few wise and prudent decisions in its history, listened to public demand and rejected the only viable Virginia sites); DC could have driven a much harder bargain.

Selig was claiming that Portland, Las Vegas, Mexico and Puerto Rico were all options. DC wanted the team bad.

56 posted on 08/09/2005 6:14:10 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Selig was claiming that Portland, Las Vegas, Mexico and Puerto Rico were all options.

Portland was barely viable, and a much smaller market. Las Vegas would have indelibly fixed the G-word on the sport. As for the other two, puh-leeze.

57 posted on 08/09/2005 6:21:35 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: konaice

This was recognized as a legitimate e-d taking before Kelo. Mostly because the city owns the property and leases it. Often the stadium parking lots do double duty. Pittsburgh makes a good chunk of change leasing the parking spaces to commuters during the daytime.


58 posted on 08/09/2005 6:26:40 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "ROFLOL!" -- tuliptree76)
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To: steve-b

I don't know, maybe it's me, but aren't we missing the point here?

1- A baseball stadium isn't something that is for the "betterment of society" (like a hospital, roadway, etc).
2- There are land owners who don't want to sell. Period. I don't care if you don't like their business, it's still theirs.


59 posted on 08/09/2005 6:30:54 AM PDT by bobd400
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To: konaice
And for the most Frivlous reasons of all.

Excuse me, but since when is basey-ball frivolous? Oh, you mean the Nationals...and, like, a DC team. OK, I get it.

Seriously, we used to kid about floating a bond issue to pay players' salaries. Little did we know truth would be much more sinister. But you know, if they had to buy the land in a fair market, they could never match the Yankees' payroll...

all gallows humor. the judge should be dethroned and send back to the ghetto.

60 posted on 08/09/2005 6:33:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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