Resort That Refused Black Family Pool Access Must Pay

US News ^ | 8/11/05

[Coldwater Creek]

I agree with you. The manager was an idiot and the organization that allowed such an idiot to mind their property deserves whatever fine they receive. Such discrimination is despicable.

However, given the condition of the average "public" pool the plaintiff's may have been spared some nasty diseases. I am deathly afraid of public pools these days, people are by and large just too careless about their hygiene. Have you ever observed how many people don't even bother to wash their hands when using a public restroom. Ugh!

[darkangel82]

Not if the ACLU is successfully RICOd soon, although that should have already happened. I still don't understand how NAMBLA has been allowed to exist for this long.

[Between the Lines]

Sorry about the paragraphs. They were there when I reviewed it but something went wrong when I posted it.

[mabelkitty]

He pissed away tons of money for next year's planned reunion. One hundred eaters and probably half of them are drinkers, as well.
If I owned a Hotel in that area, I'd be contacting each one personally to invite them to come next year.

[Sloth]

I never heard about this until today. Horrible, if true. As an aside, I thought African Americans were supposed to boycott South Carolina?

Oh, yeah! All the more reason to think that this particular family was not given to imagining discrimination that's not really there.

Anyway, sounds like the manager should have been canned (or caned, as I mistyped at first :) , not re-trained.

[Between the Lines]

Here is the Complaint that was filed by the family. It has lots of details the article leaves out. Very interesting reading. Sorry but it is in PDF format.

Turner v. Baytree III Homeowners Assoc

[Between the Lines]

""He pissed away tons of money for next year's planned reunion.

Ms. Turner reserved twenty-one units for a total cost of $10,511.56.

Quite a sum.

[SC Swamp Fox]

Wow. It sounds like they had a good case.

I wonder how the members of the HOA feel about their president now that he has cost them a (hopefully) big lump of cash.

[thathamiltonwoman]

Family reunions are highly sought after by resorts and hotels. Many have a coordinator who is supposed to work closely with the reunion host. When I had mine last month I had to tell the hotel exactly how many adults and kids were coming. They knew how many people were eating breakfast each day and how many were going to be at the banquet. We also paid for everything five days before arriving. I can't imagine that this resort was unaware of how many kids were coming. They took this family's money and didn't let them use the facility that they paid for.

[speekinout]

OK, so what's your guess as to why the pool was closed? It makes no sense that a hotel willing to rent to a group of Black people would only put the pool off limits.
They slept there; they ate there. They probably used other facilities. Why not the pool?

And, BTW, I have booked vacations where something went wrong, and I didn't get everything I expected. There was usually an explanation.

[Skooz]

As well she should have - if she wants to be selective of who she rents to on the basis of something so petty as the colour of their skin, then she shouldn't be renting, period.

It is her private property. She should be allowed to rent to whoever she wishes and deny rent to whoever she wishes for any reason whatsoever.

[mikegi]

Here is the Complaint that was filed by the family. It has lots of details the article leaves out. Very interesting reading.

I don't see clear evidence of racism in the complaint. I do see an admission by the plaintiffs that they had violated the pool usage rules and that prompted the pool to be closed to non-owners. Have black families rented units at the condo before? Was the pool closed during their stay?

[Allosaurs_r_us]

I hate to think there are still people that ignorant running around loose and not on medication.

 

I dunno....After reading the DUFU on the drugs the freaks over at the DUmpster brag about being "medicated" with, it might be the meds causing it.........LOL  

[higgmeister]

Racists managed to regain control of the government, and used the Supreme Court to nullify all of that through pure judicial activism.

And oh, by-the-way, they were the Democrats!

And they didn't change for a hundred years until the
Federal Government forced them to at the point of a Gun.

Why don't Republicans remind everyone of that with
every other sentence they speak?

The Republican has always had the moral high-ground yet
has never failed not to use it.

[Allosaurs_r_us]

This is an excerpt of the lawsuit filed. It was posted here but deleted, I assume, because it contained personal information that is a no no here at FR as per Jim.

 

There were 117 persons in attendance at the Family Reunion; eighty-two of the attendees leased units at Baytree III. 

 

On July 12, 2001, the opening day of the Turner-Gray Family Reunion, attendees gathered in the gazebo area of Baytree III for a welcome reception. Kevin Kennedy, an employee and representative of NMB Property Management, had authorized the gathering.

 

As the gazebo is located next to Baytree III's pool, several adults and children used the pool during the gathering.  On the evening of July 12, 2001, Defendant Jenkins approached Plaintiff Gloria Turner, who was serving as one of the organizers of the Family Reunion, and informed her that there were too many people in the pool. Defendant Jenkins directed Ms. Turner's attention to a sign posted by the pool, which indicated that occupancy of the pool was limited to 15 persons at a time.

 

Ms. Turner had been unaware of the pool's occupancy limits. Once her attention was directed to the posted sign, however, Ms. Turner assured Defendant Jenkins that all attendees of the reunion would abide by the pool rules for the remainder of the weekend. For the remainder of that evening, adult attendees of the reunion carefully monitored the number of persons in the pool to ensure that occupancy of the pool did not exceed the posted limits. Furthermore, although the pool was open until 10:00 p.m., all members of the Turner-Gray Family had vacated the pool area by 7:30 p.m.

 

Plaintiff Gloria Turner personally inspected the pool area and disposed of any paper or trash left by the members of her group. Plaintiff Gloria Turner subsequently ran into Defendant Jenkins as he was walking his dog. She informed him that everyone had left the pool and that the entire pool and gazebo area had been cleaned.

 

Defendant Jenkins replied, "This is a residential community, and people go to work and expect to come home to a quiet environment. And, you look up and the whole nation is here." When Ms. Turner questioned Defendant Jenkins as to what he meant by "Nation",  Defendant Jenkins did not respond. (emphasis added)

 

Well this explains everything to me and should answer the question as to whether or not the Reunion participants were abusing the priveledge.The guy was a bigot, pure and simple. Hope it costs him and his company dearly. They certainly deserve it.

 

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

I hope the Baytree III management staff don't get carpet burns on their knuckles.

[MoochPooch]

"Absolutely. Let the market decide."


My (Orthodox Jewish) landlord has quite a few African-American tenants in his building. When one of them moves out, he tries to bring in Jewish tenants -- not because he dislikes blacks, but because he wants to make the neighborhood more Jewish. Believe me, he would rent it out to a black convert to Judaism, so the issue here isn't race.

Ironically, his loyalty to the Jewish community is hurting him financially, since many of the African-Americans are outstanding & upstanding tenants. They pay the rent regularly & don't make as many demands as do some of the Jewish tenants.

Sometimes beliefs take precedence over market value. (Again, his beliefs have nothing to do with racial prejudice. And he has very good relations with his black tenants.)

[AlexW]

"I'd like to hear the other side of this story, if there is another side."

I would also like to hear more. There is something about this story that does not pass the smell test.

[BraveMan]

The Turners began the litigation process in 2001. The case was finally settled in 2005 . . .

Yet another example how the litigation process grinds on inexorably slowly in this country. I hope the settlement was worth the wait.