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Cypriot plane may have run out of fuel: source
AFP ^ | 16 Aug 2005 | AFP

Posted on 08/16/2005 8:09:21 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo

The crash of a Cypriot airliner that killed 121 people near Athens likely occurred after it ran out of fuel while heading towards Athens International Airport, a senior government source said Tuesday.

"We surmise that the (Helios Airways) plane was heading towards Athens International Airport and that it ran out of fuel," the government official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

All 121 people aboard the aircraft died in the accident, which is believed to have occurred after a disastrous air supply failure almost two hours before it smashed into a mountain near the Greek capital.

Earlier on Tuesday officials said that the body of a stewardess was found near the remains of the cockpit, suggesting that she may have tried to grasp the plane's controls in a desperate bid to avert tragedy.

Autopsies on the first 25 of the bodies of the 121 passengers and crew show they were all alive -- although not necessarily conscious -- when it ploughed into a hillside near Athens, coroner Philippos Koutsaftis told AFP.

Information from Cyprus, where the plane originated, suggests that in addition to the two pilots, one other crew member had flying experience from small aircraft, the official said, without identifying the individual.

The Cypriot co-pilot's body was also recovered in the same area, though not that of the German pilot.

Also on Tuesday, the government denied press reports that it had at one point considered having the rogue plane shot down to prevent it from crashing into a populated area.

The Eleftherotypia newspaper had earlier quoted a senior government official saying: "Five more minutes and we would have eliminated it."

The Greek Prime Minister's office said that government spokesman Theodore Roussopoulos had already stressed the government's response was according to international conventions.

Roussopoulos on Sunday said that the plane had been considered an out-of-control "confirmed renegade" that could be shot down if it threatened to crash into a populated area.

But he said the government had "no such thought" of shooting down the aircraft, while a defence ministry source told AFP that "the question never arose".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crash; cyprus; greece; helios; heliosairways; plane
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To: Fitzcarraldo

This sounds like a Ron White stand up routine in the making. (sorry)


41 posted on 08/16/2005 8:39:06 AM PDT by BallyBill (Laughing at Liberals, it's not just for breakfast anymore!!)
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To: thinking
re: it was shot down

In today's world, especially that part of it, an airliner crash is the work of Muslim terrorists until proved otherwise. Used to be that cause was number 3 or 4 on the list, but in this century it's been moved to Numero Uno on the list. And that goes for TWA 800 as well.
42 posted on 08/16/2005 8:39:11 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: YankeeGirl
Any reports of the cruising altitude prior to the crash?

Helios Airways Flight ZU522 [may have] decompressed at 34,000 feet

43 posted on 08/16/2005 8:42:06 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo

I know nothing about flying, so this might be a really dumb question. But how would running out of fuel cause the pilots of the plane to be unconscious, and the passengers frozen, as some reports state?


44 posted on 08/16/2005 8:43:12 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: MizSterious

Excellent question!


45 posted on 08/16/2005 8:44:01 AM PDT by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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To: MizSterious

SUPPOSEDLY it ran out of fuel after circling a few times at 34,000 feet on autopilot, after the passengers and crew were incapacitated from the loss of cabin oxygen...LUCKILY it crashed into an isolated mountainside and not in the ocean or heavily populated area...


46 posted on 08/16/2005 8:46:21 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Thanks. It's all so strange--and yesterday the police raided the offices of the airline company, confiscating documents. Perhaps it's nothing much, but it sure makes me wonder.


47 posted on 08/16/2005 8:48:29 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: MizSterious

Maybe they were trying to figure out who was really on the flight crew...


48 posted on 08/16/2005 8:50:20 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

FAA regs require a pilot to be on oxygen above FL 250 if he's the only one occupying the seat. That would happen if the other pilot had to make a trip to the lav etc. The requirement for one pilot to always be on oxy doesn't kick in til FL 410 I believe.


49 posted on 08/16/2005 8:51:16 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

I thought it cruised for some time prior to crash. I was wondering if the crew (or someone) got it to a lower altitude where there was enough oxygen to sustain life or revive the souls on board.

Or perhaps it was in a slow descent until it crashed and gradually passed through more oxygen-rich air? Just idle speculation on my part. A real tragedy in any event.


50 posted on 08/16/2005 8:58:08 AM PDT by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

"SUPPOSEDLY it ran out of fuel after circling a few times at 34,000 feet on autopilot"

I have a real problem with that part of the story.

Why would a plane 'circle' on Auto-Pilot?

Although I've never flown a plane, I've always understood that Auto-Pilot, once engaged, continued to fly on the heading the plane was currently at.

What would make the pilot turn the plane into a 'circular' path and then activate the Auto-Pilot?

It doesn't make sense.


51 posted on 08/16/2005 9:00:20 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2
Yes, before this I thought auto-pilot was used only during cruise while the plane is on a fixed heading and altitude...how long does it take to fly from Cyprus to Athens?

Has anyone seen a detailed graphic depicting the flight path from takeoff to crash?

52 posted on 08/16/2005 9:06:46 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

One crewmember has to be on oxygen if the other leaves the cockpit, leaving just one pilot at the controls. Or if they are flying above 41,000 feet.


53 posted on 08/16/2005 9:11:21 AM PDT by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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To: Bigh4u2

Most autopilots can do far more than fly in a straight line.


54 posted on 08/16/2005 9:12:14 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

"Yes, before this I thought auto-pilot was used only during cruise while the plane is on a fixed heading and altitude..."

Exactly!

So the plane 'circling on Auto-Pilot' just doesn't make any sense.


55 posted on 08/16/2005 9:13:04 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Moose4

If they didn't do a lot of circles, they weren't carrying much extra fuel for that flight, to run out so close to their destination like that.


56 posted on 08/16/2005 9:14:01 AM PDT by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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To: COEXERJ145

But circle?

What would be the purpose?

Especially since they were on 'approach' to the air field?


57 posted on 08/16/2005 9:14:59 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Well, at least they're not trotting out the Flying Frozen Butterball Hypothesis.


58 posted on 08/16/2005 9:15:41 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: AmericanDave

Wasn't the flight going on to Prague? Were they scheduled to refuel at Athens? If not, unless they sprang a leak, they should've had plenty of fuel.


59 posted on 08/16/2005 9:16:51 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

It's more cost effecient to fuel only to each stop and not carry the extra weight. But they should have had about 45 minutes of fuel left at Athens.... more in bad weather.


60 posted on 08/16/2005 9:19:26 AM PDT by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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