Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity
Above link is bad...
Sorry
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1466277/posts?page=331#331
And this differs from the arrogant declaration that "Science" proves "Evolution" is a "Fact" how?
Oh that's right. Everything designed by man is so perfect and flawless that obviously any ID would of created BETTER people if it had existed
I'd guess that the non-ID scientists should be happy to hear the ID folks won't be getting any funding. The funding pie can be cut into fewer, larger pieces.
Predictable results and predictable non-results pop up all over the science landscape.
That doesn't seem to stop researchers or science students from putting questions to nature.
The second statement is not a reflection of what scientists think.
The first is an accurate statement of what IDers claim.
I say claim rather than think because I do not trust the moonies intentions
Which one?
This one maybe?
Nope. That would be a poor choice
Check out the one who manifested himself as a man, gave restored sight to the blind, walked on water, resurrected dead people, proclaimed himself to be Lord and Saviour and the ONLY path to God even while they were nailing him to a piece of wood, resurrected HIMSELF after 3 days, and emboldened many eye witnesses to proclaim Him as their Lord and Saviour while they themselves were being tortured to death for doing so.
That would be a significantly better choice :-)
The lack of predictabiliy is notforthe results, is is for the meaning of the results.
If ID there is no reason that what is true for organism A should predict anything at all about organism B because at any point the intelligent designer may have changed the rules.
I find declaring there is only one road to travel to living the good life, ie the Christian road, or as some would say only one sect of it, as interpreted by those of a religious monnopolist bent, to be hubris. I see it per my own experience. Your mileage obviously varies.
Which is exactly what Jesus said would happen. We would be hated because of Him.
Unfortunately, that's what happens when the sinful nature of man comes in contact with the Truth of Jesus.
You hate Christians because they tell you how to get to God. Christians tell you that you can only get to God through Jesus Christ, because that is what Jesus Christ himself said.
That's either true, or it's not.
If it's true, as Christians believe, then don't you think it's pretty generous of them to tell you, knowing full well that you're quite likely to hate them for it? What benefit is it to them if you don't know the truth that they know? Better to just keep quite about it, which is what a lot of Christians do in order to just "get along" (myself too, most of the time, much to my disappointment).
Which is my point. I am suspicious of anyone who claims to have "truth" cornered. When ever anyone tells me "You must think this (example "global warming"), my first reaction is WHY? How do you KNOW your right?
My favorite example is Aristotle. For centuries the Dogma was that Aristotle "proved" the earth was the center of the Universe. "Science" has condemned the Inquisition for stifling any questioning of that dogma. Funny how Modern "Science" now has set up their own Inquisition to stifle anyone who questions THEIR dogma.
Such as?
Are you suggesting there are no flaws in Darwin's theories?
The "hate" word is quite misplaced as you use it, quite.
From what I've read it's hard to interpret Torie as "hating" Christians.
No, I actually agree with you. I believe that religion is something that must be found in the heart, and the head, of each individual in their own way. My point is that many times those who condemn "hurbris" have their own dogmas they defend just stridently. I actually love the scientific method and think it is gets us closer to truth. What I resent is when some elements of our society try to use science to validate things that scientifically cannot be prove. I would prefer the scientist to say "I don't know" on some issues instead of insisting on their THEORIES as being absolute truth
I suggest you re-read my post.
Scientific research is transparent, procedures, materials, conclusions etc. must all be included for a paper to get published...
How many people know the extent of moonie funding of the Discovery Institute? How many papers have they published involving genuine research?
I agree. Read my posts on this thread. We seem to have misunderstood one another.
Your opinion on this is widely shared. It's normal. I once shared it with great passion.
Consider these points:
1) Jesus performed a lot of miracles, with a lot of witnesses, and there is very good reason to believe that the stories are not myth or legend. A great number of very intelligent people have studied the stories, and have come to believe them based on the merits of the evidence.
2) Jesus was killed for, and while, proclaiming Himself to be the one true God, and the only path to God.
3) Jesus resurrected himself, and that event was reliably witnessed by hundreds of people.
4) Countless people have accepted Jesus' words as truth, and have found that simply by doing so, amazing things have occured in their lives.
If all of that is true, is it not in fact being generous for a Christian to tell you about it? Keep in mind that the Christian fully expects you to resent or hate them for it, because often they had "been there, done that".
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