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Panel on Prison Rape Hears Victims' Chilling Accounts
NY Times ^ | August 20, 2005 | CAROLYN MARSHALL

Posted on 08/20/2005 11:18:38 AM PDT by neverdem

SAN FRANCISCO, Aug. 19 - T. J. Parsell was a lanky pimple-faced adolescent bent on mischief. So when he found a toy gun one evening in 1978 while wandering home from a high school party, he thought nothing of pointing it at a store clerk and grumbling, "Your money or your life."

He got $50 for what he now calls "a stupid impulsive prank." The incident landed the 17-year-old Parsell in an adult jail, where on his first night, an older inmate spiked his drink with Thorazine and sexually abused and raped him.

"While my friends prepared for our high school prom, I was being gang raped," Mr. Parsell testified on Friday to a Congressional commission investigating prison sexual abuse and rape.

Mr. Parsell, now 45, and a successful software executive who lives on Long Island, was one of six victims of prison rape to relate disturbing accounts with a bipartisan panel of The National Prison Rape Elimination Commission here.

"What they took from me went beyond sex," Mr. Parsell said. "They'd stolen my manhood, my identity and part of my soul."

The panel, which also heard from state and federal legislators, law enforcement and prison officials and mental health experts, has been investigating the prevalence, cause and possible solutions to a problem that many experts say has escalated as the prison system is collapsing. Overcrowding, staff shortages and budget cuts have contributed to an often taboo topic.

"As a society, we have an obligation to protect the people we lock up, even though they have harmed society," the commission chairman, Judge Reggie B. Walton of Federal District Court in Washington, said. "Some people say inmates get what they deserve. But they don't think about the overall impact on society."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: barbaralee; bush; georgewbush; lee; prisoners; prisonrape; prisons; rape; sexcrimes
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To: IronJack

Can we send the BTK guy to that jail?


21 posted on 08/20/2005 11:36:55 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: dennisw

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22 posted on 08/20/2005 11:37:04 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: rasblue

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23 posted on 08/20/2005 11:37:54 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: neverdem

Cracking down on prison rape is a far cry from coddling prisoners. No man deserves to suffer that indignity, and it is cruel to suggest otherwise.


24 posted on 08/20/2005 11:38:24 AM PDT by Loyalist (Raphel mai amech zabi almi.)
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To: neverdem

He was obviously let out of prison too soon. He wasn't rehabilitated since he still refuses to take responsibility for his criminal acts. When he shows some remorse, I'll show some sympathy.


25 posted on 08/20/2005 11:38:55 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: adam_az
He was sentenced to jail, not to rape.

I'm amazed at this attitude that says "whatever happens to you in prison, you deserve it because you committed the action that put you there."

If the sentence is rape, they ought to be raped and have done with it. But don't add incarceration as an additional punishment.

26 posted on 08/20/2005 11:39:47 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Gunrunner2
Nope. I'm not soft on crime--what a crazy inference you drew. To think that people should not be raped in prison is not thought by mature, half-way intelligent adults to be "soft on crime."

Look. You made a brash, ill-considered comment. We all do. Why don't you just drop it or acknowledge it?

27 posted on 08/20/2005 11:41:33 AM PDT by jammer
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To: IronJack
How sorry are we supposed to feel for felons who get raped in prison? I'm asking seriously. On a scale of 1 (yawn) to 10 (the sky is falling!), how much are we supposed to care?

Well, consider this: you're only one false accusation away from jail and rape. Not a pleasant prospect.

28 posted on 08/20/2005 11:42:16 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: neverdem

people know what happens in prison
the moral of the story is stay out of it


29 posted on 08/20/2005 11:42:32 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: Gunrunner2

Because he didn't go to prison for child rape that's how. He was sent for a hold up.


30 posted on 08/20/2005 11:42:36 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: neverdem

There is some insidiousness to this. Felons go off to prison and learn about man on man sex. Some learn they like it. They get released and return to wives or girlfriends but continue to have sex "on the down low" and start spreading nasty STDs in the community.


31 posted on 08/20/2005 11:43:46 AM PDT by Oystir
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To: jammer
>>Nope. I'm not soft on crime--what a crazy inference you drew.<<

Post 14.

Obviously you missed it.

Clearly wasn't laughing at the rape, but the reporters characterization of the original crime.

You obviously misread with a biased mind, we all do sometimes. Just admit it.
32 posted on 08/20/2005 11:43:54 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2
Hahahaha. . .what a jokster. Just a little harmless fun. . .bad thing that happened to him, but his own actions put him there.

I agree, his actions put him there. Yet unless I am mistaken, "forcible rape by a homosexual prisoner" was not part of his sentence. It is not just, and people need to stop overlooking it. They have broken the law and deserve punishment, but prisoners are also deserving of dignity as people made in the image of God.

33 posted on 08/20/2005 11:44:04 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: adam_az

Agreed. This is horrible, especially for those who have not committed a violent crime and hurt another person.


34 posted on 08/20/2005 11:44:14 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming -- INDICTING HILLARY)
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To: IronJack
How sorry are we supposed to feel for felons who get raped in prison? I'm asking seriously. On a scale of 1 (yawn) to 10 (the sky is falling!), how much are we supposed to care?

You'll care when they are released upon the community. They went in for paper-hanging. They came out angry and vengeful.

35 posted on 08/20/2005 11:44:52 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: neverdem

His rightful punishment could have taken the form of the store owner pumping him full of buckshot. He's damn luck to be alive. Call me insensitive.


36 posted on 08/20/2005 11:45:20 AM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: pbrown

How do we know.

Juvenile records are sealed.

Point is, we don't know what his criminal history is.


37 posted on 08/20/2005 11:45:26 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: IronJack
How sorry are we supposed to feel for felons who get raped in prison? I'm asking seriously. On a scale of 1 (yawn) to 10 (the sky is falling!), how much are we supposed to care?

I think we should care a great deal. Prisoners should have to serve their sentence, not worry that they are going to die, be raped or catch an STD while behind bars. It robs them of their dignity.

38 posted on 08/20/2005 11:46:14 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Gunrunner2

I won't admit something that isn't true: you dismissed the point of the story with the statement that the person raped had done something wrong--and the strong implication was that he deserved it. Others also think you said that. Don't weasel now.


39 posted on 08/20/2005 11:46:20 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Gunrunner2

Is that your rationale? Good Lord.


40 posted on 08/20/2005 11:47:44 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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