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Missouri Town Rallies Around Illegal Immigrant
AP ^ | 10/7/5 | Alan Scher Zagier

Posted on 10/08/2005 2:44:36 AM PDT by Crackingham

From the Little League fields to the Habitat for Humanity boardroom, everyone in this central Missouri town seemed to know Manuel "Paco" Lopez. A devoted father and civic volunteer, the Mexican immigrant served as a translator at the local hospital, schools, crime scenes and anywhere else people asked. So when police asked for help interrogating a Spanish-speaking murder suspect, he dutifully agreed — even though it meant revealing he was actually an illegal immigrant named Francisco Xavier Inzunza.

Once Marshall police reported him, immigration officers made the 43-year-old an offer: work as a confidential informant for the federal immigration agency in exchange for an annual work permit. But his informant career was a spectacular flop. Drug dealers and fake identification peddlers didn't want much to do with a church leader and school volunteer. Soon after the murder suspect's conviction in 2002, Inzunza was informed he faced deportation from the place he has called home for a dozen years.

The Marshall mayor, police chief, school superintendent — even the prosecutor who Inzunza helped — pledged to support a man who for years hid his true identity.

"Most of the illegal aliens stay in the background. They don't get out," said Chuck Hird, a retired Marshall meatpacking plant manager. "Paco was different. That's what got him in trouble."

Sixteen supporters appeared at a Kansas City immigration hearing in September, prepared to ask a federal judge to let Inzunza stay. The judge instead postponed the hearing until February 2007 because of a case backlog, but Inzunza's supporters suspect judicial sympathy played a role.

Even Gregory Gagne, spokesman for the Justice Department's executive office for immigration review in Washington, reacted with surprise. He said the delay was longer than normal.

In an interview in the cramped apartment he shares with his wife, Suzy, and sons Francisco Javier, 17, and Anthony, 10, Inzunza said he has no regrets about helping Saline County prosecutors convict Juan Antonio Rodriguez of stabbing a housemate to death.

"I did it because it was the right thing to do," he said. "They needed me."


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To: chronic_loser

On a different thread, concerning Katrina, I posted a story about a 3-4 car convoy of approx 30 illegal immigrants, men women and children, mostly families.

Reading their tale of how they made it out of New Orleans to Houston (that alone was a three day "grapes of wrath" journey), how they revealed their true status at the first official evacuation center they stopped at in Houston, knowing that made them ineligible for most direct government help, how they were aided by a church in Houston, restarted their oddysy to go back across the hurricane battered gulf area to get to Georgia where one from their group had a relative, praying all the way that none of their three old cars would get stopped for anything, making their connection in Georgia days later after living and sleeping all the time in their cars, meeting some more nice church people in Georgia and (to advance this story along) how within three weeks after Katrina most of the adults had some kind of job and all the kids were in church sponsored day care.

Meanwhile, thousands of "legal" American citizens are waiting for the bureacratic red tape to tell them where they can live and how much money they are entitled to and for how long.

But the "illegal" convoy to Georgia had no guarantee of anything, anywhere accept their own determination to survive. And they have not only survived, they are already building new lives.

I don't know where it leaves my conviction that the border must operate as a true border, and that illegal immigration is destructive to our government and our soverignty in many ways.

I do know that it showed me something about the illegal immigrants that I think George Bush sees.


61 posted on 10/08/2005 6:19:14 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
That's a very nice story, but it's replicated by the millions of legal immigrants who come to the United States with virtually nothing but the clothes on their backs.

My wife's an immigrant (now U.S. citizen), as are most of her close friends, so I could tell you dozens of stories that are equally moving.

With the exception that my wife and her friends are legal immigrants. Which makes their stories all the more impressive.

62 posted on 10/08/2005 6:29:06 AM PDT by angkor
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To: chronic_loser
I cannot see for the life of me how your response can be attributed to anything but a thin skin of "law and order" priorities smeared over a deep reservoir of simple dislike for Hispanics

By gum, you're right. If it was the lily white Dutch or Irish I'd feel so much better.

63 posted on 10/08/2005 6:29:43 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: chronic_loser

I have proposed some solutions similar to the ones you are proposing.

The reason why some on Free Republic can't or won't be pragmatic about the mass migration we are witnessing is because they are afraid, rationally, of the future.

What we are witnessing is a mass migration. If we open the borders, we can reasonably expect 10 million per year or more for the next few years. This enormous number of culturally different people will have enormous implications for the future of our country.

It will not be possible to assimilate this number of people into our country.

There will be enormous culture clashes, and the immediate reality will be uncomfortable and unpleasant.

Once the numbers of foreigners reach a certain mass, we can expect riots and lawlessness as the immigrants, through the security of sheer numbers, exercise demands of all kinds upon the existing communities. Pandering by political parties will be exacerbated and make matters worse.

This is reality too, and I understand the fears.

We need a very controlled access to come in.


64 posted on 10/08/2005 6:36:41 AM PDT by Naomi4
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To: angkor
Does that provide any license whatsoever to bring her here illegally (e.g., on a tourist visa)? Absolutely not, no way on earth.

I agree with what you're saying it doesn't . But quite a few people here don't understand that It's not easy to become legal immigrant
and in this case of Manuel "Paco" Lopez probably impossible.
If bringing your sister in law to the US isn't a viable proposition  how  do you think  someone with no family here will be able to immigrate
65 posted on 10/08/2005 6:40:52 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: grjr21
"I agree with what you're saying it doesn't . But quite a few people here don't understand that It's not easy to become legal immigrant and in this case of Manuel "Paco" Lopez probably impossible."

So???? He should therefore be allowed to simply break US law and remain a benefactor of illegal activity?? I think not. Deport him.

66 posted on 10/08/2005 6:45:17 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: grjr21
If bringing your sister in law to the US isn't a viable proposition how do you think someone with no family here will be able to immigrate

Well that's exactly the point: they can't

And they will just have to live with that and move on with their lives.

Hey, I'd personally like to emigrate to a particular foreign country, because I really like it there.

But getting a resident visa there would be difficult, and I would never, ever become a legitimate citizen. A second-class expat at best.

We all have to live with the cards we're dealt, unless we want to become criminal illegal aliens.

In most countries you would pay a very heavy price for that decision, including jailtime and hefty fines.

67 posted on 10/08/2005 6:58:58 AM PDT by angkor
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To: gubamyster

ping


68 posted on 10/08/2005 7:09:23 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: endthematrix
I'd like to know the reasoning behind the reissue of that work visa! It has to be the protection of an INS informant or just the inept handling via US immigration policy. Why wasn't his wife and child violations of overstaying (again assumption) on a Tourist Visa?

A lot falls through the cracks of the INS bureaucracy. On the other hand perfectly legal,  respectable and upright immigrants are forced to spend thousands upon thousands with immigration lawyers to get them through INS hell. For themselves or to bring a wife or daughter here. US citizens can have to go through INS hell to bring a wife, son or daughter here

69 posted on 10/08/2005 7:09:52 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: angkor

I would not dispute your stories, nor that in those stories the people came here legally.

And the story I read of the "illegals" did not change my view that I want all immigrants to come here legally.

However, as harsh and suffering as the tales of any legal immigrants may be, and as much as I want our border to be a functioning border, where other laws may prevail on the other side, but our Constitution and laws prevail on our side,

the illegals operate, moment by moment, day by day, year by year WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF THE LAW unlike the legal immigrant. The factor of "the law" is not simply on one side or the other in their lives - it is, mostly, out of their reach. And yet, they risk everything because of that fact and they still strive to survive in spite of it.

I want to end the illegal immigration and our porous borders. But, if I were fighting in Falluja, I would want one of those "illegals" who joined up to get his citizenship fighting right next to me. I know damn well there is NOTHING he will fail to do to try to survive. Many U.S. citizens and many legal immigrants do not have that total conviction to their own survival and a willingness to do anything to achieve it.


70 posted on 10/08/2005 7:14:07 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Many U.S. citizens and many legal immigrants do not have that total conviction to their own survival and a willingness to do anything to achieve it.

Yuh, right. "All illegal immigrants are brave and good and wonderous, and only some Americans and legals immigrants are the same."

Very romantic, but such a patently idiotic assertion that it demands no further comment.

Except to say that the only distinction between an illegal and legal immigrant in terms of wanting more, wanting better in America is this: the law.

Your romanticized illegal aliens are criminals. Period.

71 posted on 10/08/2005 7:20:38 AM PDT by angkor
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To: chronic_loser

Who needs borders? Who needs immigration laws? Who needs soveregnity?

Please publish your address so we can send the bill for their education, health and infrastructure to you.

You and your kind are going to be the destruction of the USA.


72 posted on 10/08/2005 7:25:51 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Durka Durka Durka. Muhammed Jihad Durka.)
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To: dennisw; endthematrix
US citizens can have to go through INS hell to bring a wife, son or daughter here

You've heard my travails in the past dennis (now finished, thank God) so I won't belabor the point.

But yes, the U.S. immigration system is probably more onerous on the U.S. citizen than on the immigrating (spouse, child, relative) because you are suddenly thrown into a multi-year equivalent of the Department Of Motor Vehicles, an IRS audit, and some sort of minor criminal charge. All at the same time.

It's not a pleasant experience, but you do learn a lot about immigration and the utter perversity of the CIS (nee INS).

73 posted on 10/08/2005 7:29:52 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor; endthematrix
US citizens can have to go through INS hell to bring a wife, son or daughter here

You've heard my travails in the past dennis (now finished, thank God) so I won't belabor the point.

I remember your account and that of others here at Free Republic.

Please comment:
There is a huge volume of illegal immigrants and visa overstayers trying to regularize their status with the INS. Meaning, with the help of an immigration lawyer they try to become legal residents of the USA. These people jumped over the legal immigration queue and are now gumming up the works, making the INS bureaucracy non-functional for the legal immigrants and US citizens who have cases with the INS

74 posted on 10/08/2005 7:50:41 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: RepublicanWithIntegrity

Bump and the prize for the most intelligent and succinct analysis of the issue to date.


75 posted on 10/08/2005 7:53:09 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (If you want to know the truth, I am lying.)
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To: angkor
Hey, I'd personally like to emigrate to a particular foreign country, because I really like it there

It's probably a very nice place to visit
I googled illegal immigration and found Executive Summary: Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: 1990 to 2000

Summary
The INS estimates that 7.0 million unauthorized immigrants resided in the United States in January 2000. 

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Mexico is the largest source country for unauthorized immigration to the United States. The estimated unauthorized resident population from Mexico increased from about 2.0 million in 1990 to 4.8 million in January 2000. Mexico’s share of the total unauthorized resident population increased from 58 percent in 1990 to 69 percent in 2000. In addition to Mexico, six countries had more than 100,000 unauthorized residents in the United States in January 2000 --El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Honduras, China, and Ecuador.

It's probably much worse now .

So do you think 4.8 million Mexicans are here because they really like it here . No there are economic forces at work here that are pushing them out of Mexico and to the US. Saying   "well it's illegal"  is just shutting your eyes to the problem.
My Irish ancestors came to the US because of a potato famine and no immigration quota would have held them back
I believe what has to happen is that Mexico  (And all the South American countries)  have to  improve there quality of life so it's citizens want to stay home.
Once that happens The quality of life in the US will also  improve
That's what I believe is the answer .
( Hey , I just came up with the answer for illegal immigration .Now we just need another Freeper to come up with a way to implement it   :-)   )
76 posted on 10/08/2005 7:57:38 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: Crackingham

Oh, gee, they had a middle class life in Mexico, and decided to use us - the US - so they could be more...comfortable. Now they're whining because instead of using us, we're using them.

Well. Let me get my cryin' towel.


77 posted on 10/08/2005 8:00:17 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: angkor
I never did say

"All illegal immigrants are brave and good and wonderous, and only some Americans and legals immigrants are the same."

You did, in your failed attempt to put words in my mouth.

78 posted on 10/08/2005 8:13:12 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: chronic_loser
Your argument is so silly that I am just going to let it go.

He came into the country illegally. He is living illegally here. No matter how exemplary his life has been, while here, it is irrelevant, except to pandering presidents, and bleeding heart liberals... according to the LAW!

What do you not understand about ILLEGAL? He was not ignorant, unlike some posters. He sent his wife ahead, on false pretenses, then he took the dreaded journey through harrowing experiences. Of course, he just wanted a better life for himself, and his family. He's just like the 12,000,000 others that are here ILLEGALLY! I doubt if they are all murderers, and thugs. I do know that they have NO RIGHT to be here, or STAY HERE!

Throw him back to where he came from, so he can be an example to them!

79 posted on 10/08/2005 8:13:17 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Wuli
I never did say

Of course you didn't say it.

It's the inference one draws from your post, where you imply that it's legitimate to break U.S. immigration law so long as you are otherwise a good and honorable person.

80 posted on 10/08/2005 8:20:13 AM PDT by angkor
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