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Another Outrage from Child Protection Services
Emial | 10/17/05 | Mark I. Johnson

Posted on 10/17/2005 12:14:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie

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To: Carry_Okie
I am confused.

Why was the therapist not permitted to testify? Did the family court judge find that the therapist was not qualified?

Also, if the child has been diagnosed with RAD and fetal alcohol syndrome, was the medical doctor who made those diagnosis called to testify?

201 posted on 10/17/2005 7:22:05 PM PDT by writmeister
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To: Rodney King

Yes, most are innocent in that the errors are "convictions" which can be dealt with easily...most of these errors do not concern straight justice such as discipline and rights to stay away from gay parents, but deal with social justice issues: food, money, furniture, clothing, all which have nothing to do with true justice.

But the convicted court system which is out of control and will never raise their own consciousness the way they can raise ours, NAY distort the consciousness of parents. Jesus ate with dirty hands, for goodness sakes.


202 posted on 10/17/2005 7:23:57 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: writmeister
Also, if the child has been diagnosed with RAD and fetal alcohol syndrome, was the medical doctor who made those diagnosis called to testify?

The proceedings are confidential (which is a problem). All The only people I saw go into the courtroom were Mark and his lawyer. I didn't see the CPS people at all. I was in a waiting room with thirty other supporters.

203 posted on 10/17/2005 7:27:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Rodney King
Well, I do believe that modern science is familiar with RAD. From 'emedicine' (scroll down),using the American Psychological Association's definition: Reactive attachment disorder Reactive attachment disorder (RAD), as defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV), requires etiologic factors, such as gross deprivation of care or successive multiple caregivers, for diagnosis.

And also from MedicinePlus:Reactive attachment disorder is a disturbance of social interaction caused by neglect of a child's basic physical and emotional needs, particularly during infancy.

It may be a relatively newly recognized phenomenon but it is nonetheless recognized and defined by medical groups. And medical groups are part of modern science.

204 posted on 10/17/2005 8:05:47 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Saundra Duffy
Someone I know knows this family personally and they say Johnson is a stand up family man. This is REALLY FRIGHTENING!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Sandra. I can attest to the fact that DCFS is FRIGHTENING!!!! AS a foster parent for over 40 years, I can assure you that the system is broken!!!! Children are removed for the WRONG reasons and LEFT at home for the WRONG reasons. No one really cares about the children. My heart goes out to these adoptive parents. We have adopted many of our foster children and yes, it is a challenge to say the least. Then you get stabbed in the back by the courts and the corrupt children's services!!!!! I KNOW.........

205 posted on 10/17/2005 8:30:37 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: fortunecookie

"It borders on criminal that DCFS would have proof of the fas and RAD and prevent the therapist from testifying, the person uniquely qualified to verify the family's story and make them whole again."

Given that "Attachment Therapy" is the biggest frickin' therapy scam out there today now that "repressed memory syndrome" has been debunked, I would like to know who the therapist is before saying s/he is "uniquely qualified" in any way, shape, or form.


206 posted on 10/17/2005 9:23:28 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: writmeister

"Why was the therapist not permitted to testify? Did the family court judge find that the therapist was not qualified?"

I don't think you were supposed to ask that.


207 posted on 10/17/2005 9:24:54 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: Carry_Okie

We’re from the government and we’re here to help And they always know what’s best for you /s


The State Boys Rebellion
http://www.simonsays.com/content/content.cfm?sid=33&pid=422319

exceprts from link:

>>> Though they couldn't possible know it, the children of the Fernald State School were the victims of bad science and a newly developed bureaucracy .....
Yet they were denied proper education, routinely abused, and could be subjected to forced surgical sterilization, lobotomy, shock therapy, and psychotropic drugs.......
It reveals the danger in misguided science, the fearsome power of unchecked bureaucracies, <<<<<

It’s interesting that Germany looked to the US for it’s ideas on eugenics


208 posted on 10/17/2005 11:16:08 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Carry_Okie

One of the kids later as an adult and having been released. Found his mother, and his case files. As he read them. He concluded that he would have had a horrible home life.
But he states it would still have been better than the one he got from the state. And he would have known who his family was.


209 posted on 10/17/2005 11:36:03 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Rodney King

True. See the remainder of my reply; I comment on that very thing.


210 posted on 10/18/2005 2:23:21 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline

For every CPS abuse, there is a story where CPS didn't step in and a child died.

We've been burned several times on these stories where the parents telling the story inadvertantly leave out critical elements like busting their child in the head with a shovel. It's the "po po me" syndrome.


211 posted on 10/18/2005 4:41:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Rodney King
Do they lock the kid in his room all the time, and that's why he pisses in it?

Tell me, Rodney, is ignorance truly blissful? If you don't know anything about RAD, why not search it before making a comment as inane as that? My youngest son has a similar disorder called ODD and used to pee his pants at will. These kids are FAR from ordinary and cannot be treated as such. Read up on it and THEN come back and comment. Sheesh.

212 posted on 10/18/2005 4:55:13 AM PDT by Capagrl (Liberal - a person so open-minded their brain has fallen out)
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To: AppyPappy

"We've been burned several times on these stories where the parents telling the story inadvertantly leave out critical elements like busting their child in the head with a shovel. It's the "po po me" syndrome."

Yup, the jails are full of innocent people. I mean, who ya gonna believe, the inmate or the lying video camera that showed him robbing a liquor store?


213 posted on 10/18/2005 4:57:59 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Have you pinged on this one? My memory isn't the greatest.


214 posted on 10/18/2005 4:58:32 AM PDT by tutstar (OurFlorida.true.ws)
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To: Nightshift

ping


215 posted on 10/18/2005 5:00:46 AM PDT by tutstar (OurFlorida.true.ws)
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To: RightOnline

You are correct, I'm not a homeschooler, so you know plenty more than I do about that. Several others on this thread have been quite pleasant in informing me of the role that HSLDA plays.

I hope that HSLDA did not suggest that the parents flee with the other kids, though. That would be pretty crappy defense work.


216 posted on 10/18/2005 5:08:02 AM PDT by dmz
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

"Stupid move. Going into hiding is sufficient to create a legal presumption of guilt that is damn near impossible to contest."

Your first point may not be correct. Your second point certainly is, however. IIRC, Santa Clara County CPS has something of a reputation for being a bull-in-a-china-shop, and not bothering to check their facts before taking action. This in not the first complaint I've heard against them.

I'm not sure, however that reaction isn't preferable to what we often get here in Central Oklahoma, however, where they often fail to check any facts, or take any action...

On the horns of a dilemma here...


217 posted on 10/18/2005 5:11:21 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: dmz

"I hope that HSLDA did not suggest that the parents flee with the other kids, though. That would be pretty crappy defense work."

I'm pretty sure that they did no such thing; I know several people who use the HSLDA, and they give sound legal advice (have your attorney present, record all communications with the school district or CPS, etc).

One thing that worries me is the mother taking off and the father deliberately cutting himself out of the loop as to her location. It strikes me as an effort at avoiding jail for contempt when he refuses to divulge the wherabouts of his children. I don't trust people who spend a lot of time strategizing about how to avoid jail time.


218 posted on 10/18/2005 5:19:45 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: Old Student

"IIRC, Santa Clara County CPS has something of a reputation for being a bull-in-a-china-shop, and not bothering to check their facts before taking action. This in not the first complaint I've heard against them."

You will ALWAYS get complaints like that against CPS. How many parents are going to publicly say that they're s**tty parents who should not be entrusted with a Beanie Baby, let alone a child?


219 posted on 10/18/2005 5:23:14 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
"Should the police be able to enter your home without a search warrant? Then why is it acceptable for CPS?" CPS does require a warrant in order to search.

All CPS truly requires is the fear invoked by the agency's name (and reputation). To deny them at the door by asking they show a warrant is to pique their interest to an uncomfortable level and put you in a bad light. I was investigated years ago and was told by two different attorneys that I did not have the money nor power to fight them. Essentially, bend over and take it or risk the wrath of the CPS. I knew I had nothing to fear with the truth on my side and I fought without an attorney; the charges were dismissed in record time and my record was wiped clean. If they had taken one of my kids, though, you can bet your bippy I'd have put the second one into hiding!

220 posted on 10/18/2005 5:27:02 AM PDT by Capagrl (Liberal - a person so open-minded their brain has fallen out)
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