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Helen Of Troy Existed?
The Discovery Channel ^ | 10-18-2005 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 10/18/2005 11:08:43 AM PDT by blam

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To: blam

See The World According to Student Bloopers, by Richard Lederer:

"Actually, Homer was not written by Homer, but by another man of that name."


61 posted on 10/18/2005 12:35:48 PM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: blam
Ms. Hughes' documentary was on the local PBS channel last week.

Don't have a real opinion on her sholarship, but I have to say she was pretty attractive.

Hope this helps :-)

62 posted on 10/18/2005 12:37:25 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: SunkenCiv
Military service until age 50 doesn't pertain to the life expectancy of ancient Greek women, since women didn't serve in the military.

Of course not, but it seems unlikely for a society's rules to assume that most men will live at least twice as long as most women.

There was no shortage of old women in ancient Greece.

63 posted on 10/18/2005 12:37:38 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: bobbdobbs

Yep, Helen Thomas would not launch even a water wing full of holes.


64 posted on 10/18/2005 12:39:55 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: jpsb

Spartans and Pelloponesians generally were from northern Dorians and worshipped Apollo ('Phoebus'), like the Trojans.
Athenians were from Ionians, favorites of `grey-eyed' Athena Palla and believed themselves to be the `original' Greeks.
Helen of Sparta was hatched from a egg, so maybe that was why she was such a hot chick. Spartan women had a reputation for beauty, could have sex with their husband's friends, were said by Aristotle to rule their men and were called "thigh-flashers" by other Greeks.


65 posted on 10/18/2005 12:40:45 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: wideawake; jpsb
As far as some ancient Greeks being fair haired and blue eyed, it's interesting to trace the location of the genotype (in this case, the Y DNA haplogroup) that is usually associated with such physical characteristics: Haplogroup migrations (page down to European migration discussions).

Note that the I haplogroup centers in the Balkans about 12000 years ago, and migrates north as the ice recedes. This haplogroup is associated now with northwestern Germans, Dutch, and the Scandinavians, as well as Anglo-Saxon English. The Celts, by contrast, are represented to some degree by the R1b haplotype, who apparently took refuge in present day Spain during the Ice Ages, and spread back north about the same time. Eventually the two groups mixed in France and Britain.

But it seems apparent that Southeastern Europe used to have a lot of people we would now think of as belonging only to Northern Europe.

66 posted on 10/18/2005 12:46:40 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: blam
Professor Hughes

Not bad on the eyes.

67 posted on 10/18/2005 12:54:44 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: jgorris

Yeah, I read that one. Some of the violence got pretty gross.


68 posted on 10/18/2005 12:54:55 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: MineralMan

ROTFLOL... nauseating too ;)


69 posted on 10/18/2005 12:59:51 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Regulator
"Note that the I haplogroup centers in the Balkans about 12000 years ago, and migrates north as the ice recedes. This haplogroup is associated now with northwestern Germans, Dutch, and the Scandinavians, as well as Anglo-Saxon English. The Celts, by contrast, are represented to some degree by the R1b haplotype, who apparently took refuge in present day Spain during the Ice Ages, and spread back north about the same time. Eventually the two groups mixed in France and Britain."

The below link is a DNA map by professor Stephen Oppenheimer, you'll like it.

The Journey Of Mankind

70 posted on 10/18/2005 1:04:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: sine_nomine

Is this the face that launched a thousand ships?
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No, that's the face that caused the Hood to blow up.


71 posted on 10/18/2005 1:05:05 PM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: yarddog

OK, but counter-factual history is still fun. I haven't read the book.


72 posted on 10/18/2005 1:17:43 PM PDT by sine_nomine (CBS' Mary Mapes: "It dawned on me that I was present at the birth of a political jihad.")
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To: MineralMan

That's a face that could sink a thousand ships; who says the Greek Gods are a myth; Madusa lives


73 posted on 10/18/2005 1:18:29 PM PDT by wvnavyvet
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To: jgorris

Sounds like an old Star Trek episode.


74 posted on 10/18/2005 1:19:10 PM PDT by waverna
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To: blam

That was fun!


75 posted on 10/18/2005 1:41:13 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: 19th LA Inf

***I think it's in the Oddyssey, where Telemachos pays her a visit ***

True! Hellen and her husband Menelaus had many adventures on the way from Troy, being driven to Libya because they didn't offer proper sacrifices.

But more beautiful than Hellen was Penelope, the wife of Odysseus. When she walked among the suitors their knees became weak and they each desired to lay with her.


76 posted on 10/18/2005 2:02:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: sine_nomine

***Clive Cussler has quoted a book I want to read, "Where Troy once stood," arguing that Troy was Cambridge, England. ***

And some other guy about 150 years ago claimed Edinburogh Scotland was really Jerusalem. ( I'm not making this up!)


77 posted on 10/18/2005 2:06:40 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: mywholebodyisaweapon

***"Actually, Homer was not written by Homer, but by another man of that name."***

What sort of a stupid answer is that! ARE YOU BLIND! (Apologies to Inspector Cleuseau)


78 posted on 10/18/2005 2:11:04 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: MineralMan
Must...get...Helen...Thomas...out...of...brain....

Ahhhh that's better

79 posted on 10/18/2005 2:22:10 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: yarddog

Just so. The earlier civilization appears to have been presided over by the kings of Crete. Then there appears to have been a dark age (after Thera exploded?) followed by a new civilization presided over by the Maecaenians.

It's not unlike the history of Britain, where the first inhabitants were conquered in turn by the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, and Normans, and the various conquering groups ruled over and intermarried with their predecessors.


80 posted on 10/18/2005 3:09:46 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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