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A Separate Peace. America is in trouble--and our elites are merely resigned.
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 27, 2005 | PEGGY NOONAN

Posted on 10/27/2005 10:57:36 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

It is not so hard and can be a pleasure to tell people what you see. It's harder to speak of what you think you see, what you think is going on and can't prove or defend with data or numbers. That can get tricky. It involves hunches. But here goes.

I think there is an unspoken subtext in our national political culture right now. In fact I think it's a subtext to our society. I think that a lot of people are carrying around in their heads, unarticulated and even in some cases unnoticed, a sense that the wheels are coming off the trolley and the trolley off the tracks. That in some deep and fundamental way things have broken down and can't be fixed, or won't be fixed any time soon. That our pollsters are preoccupied with "right track" and "wrong track" but missing the number of people who think the answer to "How are things going in America?" is "Off the tracks and hurtling forward, toward an unknown destination." ___________________________________________________

I mean I believe there's a general and amorphous sense that things are broken and tough history is coming.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: currentevents; fatalism; noonan; pessimism
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To: penowa
Somehow Ms. Noonan seems to have missed this even mentioning Teddy Kennedy and his comment. Why the hell wouldn't he know what's going to happen when he and his ilk are behind ALL of it and have been for years and years? No country can survive when nearly half the country are gleefully planning its downfall or being duped into not taking notice that that is the path down which they are being led.

I agree. We are at war Culturally and Militarily. I am spooked!

81 posted on 10/27/2005 2:17:01 PM PDT by NixonsAngryGhost (Free Republic Offers SCOTUS Vetting at No Charge)
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To: .cnI redruM
Our elites, our educated and successful professionals, are the ones who are supposed to dig us out and lead us. I refer specifically to the elites of journalism and politics, the elites of the Hill and at Foggy Bottom and the agencies, the elites of our state capitals, the rich and accomplished and successful of Washington, and elsewhere.

Good Lord, these people are scum. Has Peggy gone mad - these people couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, nor would you want them to.

Regards, Ivan

82 posted on 10/27/2005 2:22:33 PM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: redgolum

That's is true...but that's often the case...it only looks like a sudden collapse to those who didn't notice the sappers tunnelling.


83 posted on 10/27/2005 2:24:02 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: .cnI redruM
I like Peggy, but my God this is crap.

The fact is, there has never been a better period in the history of man to be alive. It is apparently natural that misery loves company, because negativity seems to generate a lot of long threads on Free Republic, and a lot of angry callers on talk shows, but everyone needs to just slow down and look at what we have accomplished. Look at what we take for granted every day.

I choose to be an optimist, because the perponderance of the evidence leads me in that direction.

Come on, Peggy

84 posted on 10/27/2005 2:36:03 PM PDT by lawnguy (It works Napoleon, you don't even know.)
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To: Jack Black

I agree that a forcefully articulated true conservative position from someone would be a stimulant to the USA. Trouble is, I don't see anyone who can deliver it.>>>>>>>>>

If you mean to advocate a return to true constitutional government as it was intended then I fear that anyone who does so would be seen by even the "conservatives" as a raging maniac. Try telling people that ALL government aid to anyone, foreign or domestic, is beyond the scope of the constitution and you won't have much of an audience. For the vast majority of people the idea that the government is the solution to every problem seems somehow plausible. They may pay lip service to rugged individuality but they will gladly accept anything that Uncle offers them and it becomes ever more difficult to do otherwise. I have never believed that Social Security was a good idea but I don't intend to refuse the check if I can get it, I certainly was never given the option of NOT paying into it.


85 posted on 10/27/2005 2:44:46 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: redgolum

What we are seeing is the end of any semblance of Republican Democracy.>>>>>>>>>>>

I still maintain that Republican Democracy is an oxymoron, it is a form of government suited only to midgets over six feet tall.


86 posted on 10/27/2005 2:48:28 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: RipSawyer
I still maintain that Republican Democracy is an oxymoron,

It is. We started as a Republic, but are now more of a Democracy. That is whay I said republican democracy, since we are neither.

87 posted on 10/27/2005 2:59:08 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Willie Green

There's a lot to that. People have just taken what we have for granted. Particularly, if they aren't having to put in any 12 or 14 hour days to get their hands around it.


88 posted on 10/27/2005 3:00:37 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (Because change is not something you talk into existence.)
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To: lawnguy
Years ago I concluded people need something to fight - anything, anyone. Humans need a certain amount of suffering/pain/misery, real or imagined. Give them everything they want & need, and they will complain that you did not give them something else; a princess upon 40 mattresses will complain of the discomfort caused by a pea under them all. Give them horrible conditions and they will struggle through; the Donner Party, after months lost in snowy mountains and having eaten their dead, noted in the diary "it was a hard winter."
Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.
Today, people live longer than every. Royal comforts are but a credit-card-swipe away. War is separated from us by thousands of miles. The greatest gripe against the government after the latest natural disaster is there wasn't enough free ice. Our poor are fat.

The height of human comfort achieved, people seek an adversary. Democrats declare the Bush double-victory invalid without reason, and call for overthrowing the regime without cause. Republicans fear the second coming of Hillary.

World War I started mostly because Europe was itching for a fight - despite a time of peace and comfort. Study history; we may be about to repeat it.

89 posted on 10/27/2005 3:02:39 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: RipSawyer

You were given the option. Unfortunately, the pressure to opt-in was enormous, and you (or whoever signed you up) had no comprehention at the time that you might not want to join the quagmire.


90 posted on 10/27/2005 3:04:34 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: jonno

A long banned Freeper.


91 posted on 10/27/2005 3:08:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: .cnI redruM

The problem is simple: The government cannot solve every problem. It cannot even solve its own.

It was never intended to solve anyone's problems. It was meant to keep us safe from invasions (of any sort) and to keep the states from battling each other. Sadly, it has abandoned its primary function. Instead of it's powers, delinieated in the Constitution, being protections for the people the Court has turned it into swords looking for what rights we have "in" the Constitution, instead of looking for what powers the government really has.

10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited to it by the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.

The problem is that the government construes Section 8 of Article I "... provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..." as a catch-all for anything the governemnt wishes to do.

In the Federalist papers, when describing this section they discuss general welfare as occruing from the common defense. Obviously, internal strife among the states and invasions from without would not be beneficial to bringing about the 'general welfare' of the country.

It was thought about by the government this way for the first 150 years. It was not until 1937 that the Court decided that general welfare means just about anything that could benefit the majority and it would employ a 4-point examination of what rights are actually 'in' in Constitution, as a substitution for delineated powers; while out government abandoned its original purpose of defense.

Since then our Constitution has been constantly trodden upon by the government, replacing our constitutional republic with a simple democracy where anything goes, especially if you can find some judge to rule your way.

That errie sense that something bad is going to happen probably comes from not knowing what day or what hour the final bits of rights we have left will be completely gone and you can be raped of anthing you have left, legally, while we are bombarded from without.


92 posted on 10/27/2005 3:12:31 PM PDT by dajeeps
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To: .cnI redruM

Hillary will be elected President in 2008. The Dems, seeing the last 8 years of indeciciveness in the republicans and sensing weakness, are going to set off a civil war by their actions after that.


93 posted on 10/27/2005 3:14:57 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ((Aubrey, Tx) --- America, we get the best government corporations can buy.)
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To: RipSawyer; TCats
Things keep on rolling but I could swear that I feel a slight deceleration, like when you have been cruising at eighty miles an hour on a flat road in overdrive and you cancel the cruise control by accident without hitting the brakes. It takes a little while before you are actually certain that you really are losing speed.

You can also get a similar sensation when you're cruising along at 30,000 feet and one of your engines falls off.

94 posted on 10/27/2005 3:55:56 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat; RipSawyer

The unease I'm feeling is fueled further by the behavior of the economy and the erratic movements in the Stock Market so far this October. GM mentioned as a bankruptcy candidate doesn't help either. I just don't feel good about what I'm sensing.


95 posted on 10/27/2005 5:09:04 PM PDT by TCats
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To: sionnsar

That will happen during the next Democrat administration.


96 posted on 10/27/2005 5:22:59 PM PDT by sport
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To: kevinjdeanna

btt
CW2 ping


98 posted on 10/27/2005 7:04:30 PM PDT by vrwc0915 (I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against al)
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To: blam
"Muslims take this as the sign to start their intifada......and a huge world war erupts."

Heck, that's part of the solution.

Thanks for the laugh in an otherwise depressing thread.

99 posted on 10/27/2005 7:06:29 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: .cnI redruM

A strong 'leader' gains power and refuses to relinquish it. America effectively becomes a dictatorship and conflicts between the U.S. and the rest of the world boil over.


100 posted on 10/28/2005 6:36:13 AM PDT by T.Smith
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