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Big Rise in Profit Places Oil Giants on the Defensive
NY Times ^ | 10/28/5 | Jad Mouawad and Simon Romero

Posted on 10/28/2005 1:38:17 AM PDT by Crackingham

Exxon Mobil, the world's largest oil company, said yesterday that its third-quarter net income jumped 75 percent, to $9.92 billion. Its profit in the first nine months of this year - $25.42 billion - already equals its full-year earnings for 2004. This year's sales, which topped $100 billion in the last quarter, are expected to exceed those of Wal-Mart.

Another oil giant, Royal Dutch Shell, reported a 68 percent jump in profits yesterday, to $9.03 billion. Chevron is expected to post a profit of more than $4 billion today.

This year is shaping up as an exceptionally lucrative one for the oil industry, thanks to strong global demand, tight supplies and high prices for oil and natural gas. While the idea that the Bush administration was considering imposing a windfall profits tax was knocked down yesterday by officials, longstanding resentments against Big Oil are resurfacing and could end up imposing some additional burdens on the industry.

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Today, Republicans and Democrats alike, aware of the politically sensitive issue of high energy prices, are putting increasing pressure on the oil and gas industry to return some of its profits. The ideas include forcing the industry to invest in more refining capacity or to increase inventories to cushion energy shocks.

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Senator Bill Frist, the Republican leader, said yesterday that executives of major oil companies will be summoned to Capitol Hill to testify about high energy prices. Some of Mr. Frist's language harked back to the 1970's and early 1980's when cries of price gouging at gasoline pumps were common.

"If there are those who abuse the free enterprise system to advantage themselves and their businesses at the expense of all Americans," he said, "they ought to be exposed, and they ought to be ashamed."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: Syberyenta
Please explain this to me too, somebody. Or provide a link or reference. Be simple. Thanks in advance.

See posts 11 and 15. They explain it very well.

21 posted on 10/28/2005 4:30:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this. For some reason, rational thinking flies out the window when it comes to the price of gas.


22 posted on 10/28/2005 4:34:21 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Teacher317
Oh, our liberal governor here in Wisconsin is also calling for an investigation of 'Big Oil' for gouging Wisconsin consumers. I'd like to see an investigation of the state of Wisconsin for tax-gouging at the pump. We pay one of the largest gas taxes in the country. The money goes into the transportation fund to pay for roads. This year, in a big, sloppy wet kiss for the techer's union, Big Jim Doyle transferred 100 MILLION dollars from the transportation fund to the education fund!

Seems to me that if we have 100 million dollars we don't need for roads, then we are being GOUGED! I demand an investigation!

23 posted on 10/28/2005 4:43:54 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: Crackingham

Adam Smith said that a group of merchants could hardly have a chance meeting on the street without concocting a scheme to fleece the public. Price gouging/collusion is just a fact of human nature/business among a few players in an industry with a high cost of entrance. Supply/Demand equilibration is just one aspect of it. The market is what it is.


24 posted on 10/28/2005 4:57:38 AM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: cynicom
In a perfect capitalistic society where supply and demand works perfect there should be no profits. Thats at least what I learned in school. Although it is strange thought. So to me this huge increases in oil company profits are a solid evidence that something is wrong.
25 posted on 10/28/2005 5:01:14 AM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: Crackingham
Who benefits from the following:

No new refineries in 30 years?

Limited oil exploration and drilling?

40+ different types of boutique fuels tying up refinery production?

So, perhaps, the way to get revenge on the oil companies is to do the following:

Build new refineries.

Expand oil exploration and drilling.

Nationalize the fuel standards and eliminate "boutique fuels."

26 posted on 10/28/2005 5:02:02 AM PDT by Nephi (The Bush Legacy: Known conservatives are ineligible for the Supreme Court.)
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To: Nephi

Good ideas, now what has Bush done???? The same thing Congress has done.....nuthin'!


27 posted on 10/28/2005 5:06:01 AM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: Crackingham
I guess I have a couple of questions. First, where was the MSM when oil prices tanked in the late '90s, gasoline was .87/gallon and oil companies were losing their asses?

Were they singing the praises of an entire industry which kept providing esential commodities despite doing so at a loss?

In a word, NO.

Most of the people here who gripe about "BIG" anything assume some monolithic evil is behind the controls bagging up the dough, their dough, and that they have made (somehow) no investments, placed no capital at risk, etc.

Yet these same people would not balk at selling their house for more than they paid for it--the more the better. No one carps at getting too BIG of a raise.

Well folks, oil companies do not print money. They earn it. They earn it by taking investment capital and converting it into infrastructure, producing oil wells, refineries, and distribution networks.

The SMALL oil company I have been doing geology for, has invested in just this neck of the woods, 120 million+ in drilling wells, running feeder pipelines, etc. in just the past year.

This with no guarantee that the price of oil will not collapse again (as it periodically does), or that people just like most of you, who thoroughly ignorant of the industry, will scream bloody blue murder because they almost had to pay as much for a gallon of gasoline as they do for milk, and maybe get the congress to TAX the oil companies (How that ADDITIONAL TAX translates to YOU PAYING LESS is beyond me!).

Maybe "BIG MILK" is next on the radar.

After all, all the caterwalling of the people who feel ripped off when someone else makes a return on their investment gets the CONgress to put a cap on how much profit an oil company can make, maybe a cap on how much you can make on your house or stock portfolio is next. You do not even have to replace diminishing reserves with new production, regardless of price. You do not have to fight the selfsame MSM to try to put in a refinery for the umpteenth time only to be stymied because years ago someone couldn't drive the effin boat!

NO, and now that the years of waiting and investment have begun to pay off with capital that can keep things going or expand the production of oil and petroleum products so an ungrateful consumer can get the same product cheaper, the selfsame consumers go on the attack like a bunch of spoiled children.

The same people who crow about bringing down Dan Rather are soooo willing to march in lockstep against the 'BIG' enemies of their wallet, the evil CAPITALISTIC OIL COMPAINES, who might want to show a profit for their investors.

As for the percentages, just for the entertainment of the innumerate, in 1980 the region I work in had 212 drilling rigs operating. In July 1986 there were two. That's right, two. When things picked up a mite toward the end of the year, one of the papers ran the headline "Oil Activity Doubles in the State". Number of rigs drilling? Four. Down 5300% from 1980. Doubled from the month before.

Don't be suckers and fall for the MSM BS.

28 posted on 10/28/2005 5:57:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: NRA1995
What the hell is Frist doing???????

Dreaming that someday he will be King?

It is simply and utterly amazing to me that a man so ignorant of simple economic priciples of Capitalism could be lifted to the highest post in the Senate.

He has truely earned the nickname "Limp Frist".......

29 posted on 10/28/2005 6:10:30 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (-)
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To: Syberyenta
"Please explain this to me too, somebody."

You make widgets that the market will buy at $1.00. You have a 50% markup so you make $.50 per widget.

There is heavy demand for widgets and the market is willing to buy them at $10.00. Your cost goes up to $5.00 and you maintain your markup. You make $5.00 a widget.

The people don't like the fact that you're making $5.00 a widget so the goobermint takes over the widget industry. The price of widgets is set at $.50. Widgets are cheap. There are no widgets to buy.

Or if you will look up USSR history not so many years ago. You could buy all the cardboard shoes you wanted at dirt cheap prices....but there were none to buy.

30 posted on 10/28/2005 6:11:22 AM PDT by Proud_texan ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater)
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To: marktwain
Sorry,

I don't believe any of it. The oil companies need to be helping out right now. And they are not re-investing their profits as they would like everyone to believe, see FR post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497483/posts

Then look at this article in the Hammond, Indiana Times dated October 14, 2005:

http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2005/10/14/updates/top_stories/beafcd6ae9dc3eca8625709a005adf41.txt

I know for a fact that that Cheney personally called the BP refineries in NW Indiana to ask that they increase their production in the wake of the Hurricanes, ans their response is to decrease instead.

I know BP is not a US Oil Company, but they do operate here.

I also do not believe everything I hear or read. You have to look a little to find the truth.

The truth is that the oil companies are manipulating the system to artificially increase the prices. They are not re-investing, and they are not trying to help anyone in this country in a time of need.
31 posted on 10/28/2005 6:17:18 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: Crackingham
What about oily Google's windfall profits of some 24%!

The DNC dreamed of Ministry of Commercial Fairness shall equalize things even if it must nationalize our economy like Hillary Care planned for only 1/7th of our economy.

Inelasticity of demand and gross ignorance with political pandering is what's wrong. Ignorance and foolishness is dangerous.

32 posted on 10/28/2005 6:17:52 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Dallas radio)
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To: Smokin' Joe

:::::Standing on my chair, applauding wildly and shouting "WOOO-HOOOO!!!" at your comments:::::::


33 posted on 10/28/2005 6:21:13 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Nephi
Good points.

We are not looking at pure hands off capitalism at work here, if we were, many new refineries would have been built in the last 30 years. This has warped the supply and demand situation. The supply is tight because of reaching the limits of US refining capacity - in true hands off capitalism this would result in new refineries being built.

The real question in my mind is why are no new refineries being built to average out the sharp variations in the supply situation?

This is a separate problem from the warped crude supply and demand situation.

Neither situation is a good example of true hands off capitalism.

34 posted on 10/28/2005 6:24:11 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: southlake_hoosier
What wonderful examples. In the first, Oil companies do not develop oil and gas prospects because no way exists to get the product to market.

Why does no pipeline exist? (HINT: ECOWHACKOS)

In the second, a refinery shuts down units for maintenance and safety inspections. Why? Because it is far cheaper to shut down units on a scheduled basis for inspection and maintenance than replace them when they burn down.

Malicious intent? Hardly.

35 posted on 10/28/2005 6:28:27 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Neville72
The quicker we move away from oil-based fuels to a hydrogen one the better.

Great idea! Except the hydrogen has to come from somewhere, and that is usually petro product. Hydrogen is a very inefficient fuel source.

36 posted on 10/28/2005 6:28:56 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Crackingham

"Forcing the oil companies to invest in new refineries" LOL, the leftie that wrote this is a bit confused about his own position.


37 posted on 10/28/2005 6:30:26 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush and the SAPPS)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Don't be suckers and fall for the MSM BS.

Thank you, Smokin' Joe. The MSM has pushed the "Property is Theft" and "Capitalism is a Conspiracy" nonsense for so long that many people have bought it without really thinking about it.

There just seems to be something in the human psyche that finds it easier to blame a problem on a conspiracy rather than investigate the facts.

38 posted on 10/28/2005 6:30:33 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
There just seems to be something in the human psyche that finds it easier to blame a problem on a conspiracy rather than investigate the facts.

So true. Maybe we should be investing in Alcoa or Reynolds....'Tinfoil' seems to be in demand lately.

39 posted on 10/28/2005 6:33:44 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
There are other ways of moving product that already exist.

And yes, I would think that a call from the Whitehouse to help out should be answered.
40 posted on 10/28/2005 6:38:18 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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