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1 posted on 11/03/2005 6:15:03 AM PST by ff1787
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To: ff1787

Government indoctrination camps. Period.


2 posted on 11/03/2005 6:18:04 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: ff1787

Another brilliant decision by the ninth circus.


3 posted on 11/03/2005 6:18:21 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: ff1787
saying there is "no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children."

I suppose now the schools will invite Larry Flint as a guest speaker.
4 posted on 11/03/2005 6:19:06 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Ham & Eggs: A day's work for a hen, A lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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To: ff1787

Well there isn't a constitutional argument (that I can think of) that says schools can't teach whatever they want. It's left up to the locally elected offiicials.

If you don't like it vote and encourage others to vote for different people. Move. Or home-school (which in Cali is getting tougher and tougher).


7 posted on 11/03/2005 6:21:31 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: ff1787

Later pingout. Nazgul.


9 posted on 11/03/2005 6:23:12 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ff1787; Blood of Tyrants

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1514389/posts

lively discussion, same subject, different article, same facts, from yesterday


10 posted on 11/03/2005 6:24:56 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: ff1787
Sounds like a clear violation of the Hatch Amendment. However, if the parents gave consent, they can't revoke it after the fact. They should have been informed as to the content of the survey, and if not informed they should have asked, or refused consent.

-Eric

11 posted on 11/03/2005 6:25:52 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: ff1787
"no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children."

Providing information to the student is one thing. This "survey" solicited sexual information from these children and violated their privacy. What this has to do with education, I have no idea.

12 posted on 11/03/2005 6:25:56 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: ff1787

The Sex Positive agenda at work. Seeking to make everyone sexually active at every age (including childhood) and seeking to eliminate all moral judgements over sexual activity including choice of partner regardless of age, sex, relation, marital status, number, or species.

Thank Dr. Kinsey.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 6:28:16 AM PST by weegee (To understand the left is to rationalize how abortion can be a birthright.)
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To: ff1787

How do you expect the homosexual recruiters and the perverts to be able to know which kids are susceptible without these little aids? Its always great to get this info so they know which kid to work on. they have 12 years to turn your kids into perverts.


14 posted on 11/03/2005 6:29:27 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: ff1787

"9th Circus"... Read no further...


15 posted on 11/03/2005 6:31:29 AM PST by TXnMA (TROP: Satan's most successful earthly venture...)
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To: ff1787

"9th Circus"... Read no further...


16 posted on 11/03/2005 6:31:57 AM PST by TXnMA (TROP: Satan's most successful earthly venture...)
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To: ff1787

Then take your children out of that school. Period!!! Do not support it.


18 posted on 11/03/2005 6:37:19 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for our country than any of us will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: ff1787

Oh, look - the 9th circuit. How appropriate. When you can predict what the outcome will be, it seems to me there is absolutely no use for a 9th circuit court.


20 posted on 11/03/2005 7:30:22 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: ff1787

The court errors, when it says there is

"no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children.";

when the fact is that there is

"no fundamental right of EDUCATORS to be providers of information regarding sexual matters to OUR children without our consent".

Educators have no valid "public" requirment or moral foundation for asking most all of the questions in the survey to any children, and much less grade school children.

I do not see how anyone cannot see that such a survey is intended not to find any needed information, but to introduce the questions in the survey into the childrens minds; questions which most grade school children would not even think of if not asked.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 7:39:18 AM PST by Wuli
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Will this finally spur Republican lawmakers to support tax credits for parents who send their kids to private schools?


25 posted on 11/03/2005 10:21:08 AM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: ff1787; Born Conservative; little jeremiah; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; ...
9th Circuit: Parents Have No 'Fundamental Rights' in Their Children's Sex Ed
 
Attorney Alerts Parents
Brian Fahling is the senior trial attorney with the Center for Law & Policy, the legal arm of the American Family Association. He says while he is not surprised at the ruling from the Ninth Circuit -- historically the most overturned federal appeals court in the country -- he does find the decision "extremely disturbing."

27 posted on 11/03/2005 3:45:26 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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LAW OF THE LAND
Court: It does take a village when it comes to sexuality
Parents 'have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools'

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled yesterday against parents who sued their local school district after their elementary-age children were given a sexually charged survey, saying there is "no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children."

The three-judge panel of the full court further ruled that parents "have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students."

Six parents sued the Palmdale, Calif., School District after finding out their kids had been asked a series of sexual questions in class. They included asking the children about the frequency of:

Touching my private parts too much

Thinking about having sex

Thinking about touching other people's private parts

Thinking about sex when I don't want to

Washing myself because I feel dirty on the inside

Not trusting people because they might want sex

Getting scared or upset when I think about sex

Having sex feelings in my body

Can't stop thinking about sex

Getting upset when people talk about sex

Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote the unanimous opinion for the court [.pdf document]. Referring to the fact the parents lost their case at the district-court level, Reinhardt wrote:

We agree [with the previous ruling], and hold that there is no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children, either independent of their right to direct the upbringing and education of their children or encompassed by it. We also hold that parents have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students. Finally, we hold that the defendants' actions were rationally related to a legitimate state purpose. [emphasis Reinhardt's].

Carrie Gordon Earll is director of issue analysis with Focus on the Family Action.

"Anyone who wonders why pro-family organizations like ours have been so concerned about activist courts only has to look at this case," Earll said in a statement. "The 9th Circuit did more than rule against parents who were upset that their elementary-school-aged children were being asked explicit questions about sex in class. They told all parents they have no right to protest what public schools tell their children."

Continued Earll: "What the court did here is declare parenthood unconstitutional. It's long been the liberal view that it takes a village to raise a child – but never before have the 'villagers' been elevated, as a matter of law, above mothers and fathers."

The controversy began in 2001 when a volunteer "mental health counselor" at Mesquite Elementary School set out to conduct a psychological assessment test of students in the first, third and fifth grades.

A letter to parents asked for their consent to conduct the study but did not indicate that questions of a sexual nature would be asked. The survey included 79 questions divided into four parts. Ten of those questions were of a sexual nature.

According to the court's opinion, the plaintiffs took action after their children participated in the survey and later told their parents about the sexual questions. Seeking damages and injunctive relief, the parents charged the district violated their federal constitutional right to privacy.  

The lower court had ruled against the parents, saying the right "to control the upbringing of their children by introducing them to matters of and relating to sex in accordance with their personal and religious values and beliefs" does not rise to the level of a fundamental right protected by substantive due process.

Wrote Reinhardt: "As with all constitutional rights, the right of parents to make decisions concerning the care, custody and control of their children is not without limitations. In Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944), the Court recognized that parents' liberty interest in the custody, care and nurture of their children resides 'first' in the parents, but does not reside there exclusively, nor is it 'beyond regulation [by the state] in the public interest.' For example, the state 'as parens patriae' may restrict parents' interest in the custody, care and nurture of their children 'by requiring school attendance, regulating or prohibiting the child's labor and in many other ways.'"

Reinhardt also cited previous cases that upheld the right of schools to educate children about issues of sexuality.


28 posted on 11/03/2005 3:48:05 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: ff1787; Coleus

The State must rear children according to the Liberal Agenda!!


29 posted on 11/03/2005 3:51:57 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: ff1787

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1514876/posts
U.S. Court Allows Survey of Children on Sex Topics

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1514385/posts
Court says parents not sole providers of kids' sex education

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1514815/posts
Appeals Court Declares Parenthood Unconstitutional


30 posted on 11/03/2005 3:53:17 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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