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Harley Announces Recall of 13,400 Bikes
AP (Absolute Prevarication) ^ | 11/23/2005 | Staff

Posted on 11/23/2005 12:31:34 PM PST by Red Badger

MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Harley-Davidson Inc. issued a voluntary safety recall on 2006 model Dyna series motorcycles built between June 9 and Oct. 19 due to a transmission defect.

The company said late Tuesday the recall affects some 13,400 motorcycles and is expected to cost less than $5 million, which it will make reservations for in the fourth quarter.

Harley-Davidson also said it expects to meet its previously announced wholesale shipment target of 329,000 motorcycles for 2005.

The Milwaukee-based company said it will provide owners with free pickup and delivery and will make recall kits, which include three redesigned transmission components, available at dealerships starting the week of Dec. 12.

The defect may allow the motorcycles to go into a false neutral position even though the neutral indicator light is illuminated, it said.

"If that happens, the transmission could engage into first or second gear unexpectedly," Harley-Davidson spokesman Bob Klein said Wednesday.

Two accidents related to the problem were reported, but none resulted in injury, Klein said.

The defect resulted from a design flaw in the six-speed transmission, which replaced the five-speed on the Dyna to make for a smoother ride at highway speeds and increase fuel efficiency, Klein said.

The redesign also resulted in a change to the front forks, chassis and a wider rear tire.

Shipments of the 2006 Dyna had been delayed but resumed after a change to production, he said.

Harley-Davidson shares rose $1.20, or 2.2 percent, to $55.67 in Wednesday afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange, amid a general gain in market prices on optimism over consumer spending this holiday season.


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To: Poser

It's nice to convert them over yes, but give me an electric start anytime. I have torn up both my knees (on motorcycles of all things, go figger) and like to look at them but I have no interest in using one. I don't like kick starting a KX250 either.


101 posted on 11/23/2005 5:25:13 PM PST by blarney
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To: blarney
The VMAX and the Eliminator are about the only Japanese bikes I would even own.

I've put over 8000 on my stock '87 ZL 1000 Eliminator since April.

There's a Harley on every corner but only one or two Eliminators in town. I get more comments, admiration, 'thumbs ups', etc from the public than I could ever get on a stock hog.

And yeah, its fast.

102 posted on 11/23/2005 5:44:32 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Oh yea eliminators are very fast. It might depend on the area you are in because where I have been the Harley's are the bikes of admiration. If this wasn't so then why did so many people jump on having to say how much better theirs was. Plain and simple I got all the racing out of my system but I guarantee that the two vtwins I ride(one is S&S and the other is el Bruto) have more than enough to smack down pretty much anything except maybe a bosshoss.

The GPZ mentioned earlier depending on if it's a turbo or not is a little monster too, but still doesn't have the value of the American bikes. Eliminators are just great bikes just like the VMax. Comfortable riding position and a buttload of power and toque. But they still aren't the big American VTwins. Kawasaki found a good formula with the Zx1 or whatever it was, (they were kz900's) and were smart enough to not do too many changes

It's like the fast and the furious cars as opposed to the great American Muscle Cars. You can go real fast in a Supra but in a Chevelle SS 396 you don't have to.


103 posted on 11/23/2005 5:54:21 PM PST by blarney
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Now why is it you feel the need to come on here and insult people like me? I don't understand the motivation.


104 posted on 11/23/2005 6:02:01 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: freepatriot32

I have 35,000+ miles on my '03 Harley, and my only mechanical failure has been the throwout bearing on the clutch, which no doubt the result of operator error. Read dropping a non-race clutch. Replaced it with a race clutch.


105 posted on 11/23/2005 6:04:36 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

I know where all the parts come from, from the Showa forks, to the Kehien carb. It's not a problem for me, so why is it a problem for you. Your whole bike came from Japan and that's not a problem, so I don't get it.


106 posted on 11/23/2005 6:05:45 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Abathar

Now that was funny.


107 posted on 11/23/2005 6:08:01 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: TXBSAFH

I've yet to find a Honda that fits me better than my Harley. At least not one with enough engine for sustained riding. The Rebel and the VLX are nice bikes, but not enough engine.


108 posted on 11/23/2005 6:08:11 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: pt17
My son-in-law has a new VTX 1800. Aside from being better looking, more reliable and less expensive, it always gets a lot of favorable attention from the good HD folks.

I don't know about being better or more reliable, but it gets kudos from bikers, because it's a good bike. The VTX is a fine machine in just about every respect. I have a buddy who owns the 1800, and it's served him well, although not as reliable as my Harley. He had to have a stuck valve replaced at under 20,000 miles, and I'm still going strong at 35,000 with no real failures.

109 posted on 11/23/2005 6:11:02 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: HOTTIEBOY
V-rods are hot bikes, don't get me wrong. But a 600cc R6 is one third the cost and have the displacement and will hand the v-rod its @ss any day.

Different kind of bike for a different kind of ride. I don't have anything against sport bikes, but I sure don't want to own one. They're too tall, and the riding position is uncomfortable.

This nonsense that one type of bike is better than all the rest is hooey. Some folks are best served by a full on highway barge like an Electra-Glide or a Goldwing. Others need a sport bike. Still others need a laid back cruiser. We don't all ride the same road.

110 posted on 11/23/2005 6:13:48 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

"Oil leaks ? As the former owner of three Limeys, (last was a Norton 850) you don't know REAL oil leaks, my man."

1970 Triumph Bonneville. Drip, drip, drip.

Neither one of my Kawasakis leak a drop.


111 posted on 11/23/2005 6:14:32 PM PST by dljordan
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To: HOTTIEBOY
My Yamaha falls into neutral and still outruns harleys. At half the displacement and half the cost.

I have Tomahotsu. I like Yama too. Good motorbike. Yes?

112 posted on 11/23/2005 6:24:44 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: blarney

Harleys are still Harleys here, too. But they're everywhere.

My Eliminator is unique; American cruiser style frame and seating with the 1000 cc in line four. People who don't know bikes like the styling; people who do know bikes like the styling and appreciate the performance.

I'm in the market for something newer and easier to get parts for should I need them, but I can't bring myself to trade the ZL and I know that its gonna be hard to match the perfomance. And although I don't want to race-go-fast all the time, I don't want to go from a Mustang to a Town and Country Wagon.

If Kawasaki reintroduced the real Eliminator line, I'd be lining up for the new one.


113 posted on 11/23/2005 6:33:36 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: battlecry

The dumbest thing that ever happened to motorcycles was when they equipped them with batteries.


114 posted on 11/23/2005 6:36:32 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Old Professer
Last bike was 1941, flathead, sidevalve ULH Harley. We had nicknames for it. Stump puller, pig iron, etc.

Most don't remember Ed Roth. Rat Fink, Big Daddy Roth, "Cartoons" and the rest. He helped rebuild the engine on the '41. 90 mph, and it was barely turnin over...Cool bike. Then I got married and retired from being an outlaw in the eyes of most everyone. Long ago. Life is very different now. Better. But I do find some humor watching all the dentist ride around on their brand new Harleys. Wish I could afford one. But flying is cool too.

115 posted on 11/23/2005 6:45:33 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Jigsaw John

Not knowing when you are in neutral is about the same as not knowing when to shut up instead of standing up.

Machines were not originally meant for the meek.


116 posted on 11/23/2005 6:50:12 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: blarney
"It's nice to convert them over yes, but give me an electric start anytime. I have torn up both my knees (on motorcycles of all things, go figger) and like to look at them but I have no interest in using one. I don't like kick starting a KX250 either."

The only thing I ever have trouble kicking is a 1000cc iron head Sportster. Those things are dangerous. I love kicking this one. It's a '66.


117 posted on 11/23/2005 6:54:46 PM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Jigsaw John
"Most don't remember Ed Roth. Rat Fink, Big Daddy Roth, "Cartoons" and the rest. He helped rebuild the engine on the '41."

I've got Roth original with an autograph.


118 posted on 11/23/2005 7:00:49 PM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Poser

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH, thats probably still too rough on my knees. HaH!


119 posted on 11/23/2005 7:14:54 PM PST by blarney
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To: Eagle Eye

I've got nothing bad at all to say about the eliminator. To be honest though if you are looking for good performance I would do something like a Sportster and trick it out with Buell parts. The parts are fairly interchangeable and very available. People make fun of the sporty's but you beef up that motor and they will flat out run. Easy to setup for better ride so you can be lower, longer and more comfy. The new Triumphs are pretty nice also and some have a fairly good throwback look.


120 posted on 11/23/2005 7:19:20 PM PST by blarney
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To: Poser

Neat stuff. I recall when big Ed was workin for Knotts in Ca, doing paint brushing stuff.


121 posted on 11/23/2005 7:43:11 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Old Professer

No, that was the best thing. Not because it replaced the kickstarter, but because it made for more room in the engine case. It was the foundation for more improvements than any non-mechanic will ever realize.


122 posted on 11/23/2005 8:22:00 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: blarney

I've had 3 Sporties now and 2 big twins. I don't see myself ever owning a 3rd big twin, but if I live long enough, I'll own more Sportsters.


123 posted on 11/23/2005 8:24:00 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas
I know where all the parts come from, from the Showa forks, to the Kehien carb. It's not a problem for me, so why is it a problem for you. Your whole bike came from Japan and that's not a problem, so I don't get it.

I guess I don't get it either... If there's a company here in the US that makes forks, then I might be interested... Same with carbs. Sometimes you have to get parts or components whereever they're manufactured.

Mark

124 posted on 11/23/2005 9:43:43 PM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: MarkL

Forks, carbs, frames, motors, wheels, doesn't matter you can get them all made right here in the U.S. it's just a matter of price.

Hey how do you post a picture?


125 posted on 11/24/2005 6:25:54 AM PST by blarney
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To: blarney

V-Max has not changed since 1984. Granted in 1984 the V-Max was the king. But today a V-Max is slow compared to the rest of the liter plus sport bikes and most of the 600cc middle weights.
It is simple math that will tell you there is no contest.
The v-max has 116hp and weighs 631lbs
Yamaha GSXR750 has 127hp and weighs 430lbs
That is simple math and that is just an example. Dozens and dozens of japaneze and italian bikes have better numbers than that.
A Harley V-Rod has 109hp and weighs 620lbs. Thats no contest......and it costs $20,000.
V-Max days are over. Unless they totally redesign that bike, they are stuck in 1984 times. The V-Rod is a start in the right direction for Harley. But for the money......


126 posted on 11/25/2005 5:10:56 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: Melas
I certainly didn't intend to insult you. I am trying to insult Harley-Davidson. I cannot blame them for being a success. But all that success should allow them to build a better bike. The people that own harleys yell "buy American instead of JapCrap."
When America builds a fast, nimble, affordable bike based on 21st century technology, I will buy it. Until then, i will not pay $17,000 for old tech wrapped in an image just to be like everyone else. Not when i know I can buy something better.
Sorry if any of my postings seem offensive. Allot of my riding buds ride harleys. They respect my bike and I respect theirs. But as soon as they give me this "real bike" crap, I show them what 13,000rpm, DOHC, 4cyl, fuel injected 396lbs looks like from the rear.
127 posted on 11/25/2005 5:23:25 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: Salamander
"Push rod envy?" No. Not at all. Pushrods were available in 1945. Do you have 146 hp, Double Overhead Cam, 16 valve, fuel injected envy?
128 posted on 11/25/2005 5:29:45 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

HaHa, if you think so more power to ya. You spend your time telling everyone why they are better than an American Vtwin, the American Vtwin owners don't have to do that and theres a reason they don't have to.


129 posted on 11/25/2005 6:56:40 AM PST by blarney
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Thanks guys! I'll remember to add HD to the list of American companies to hate!


130 posted on 11/25/2005 7:02:19 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: blarney

You don't know squat and need to stop getting all your talking points out of back issues of Easy Riders magazine.

Harleys are only worth more money because someone is willing to pay for it. The parts and materials that go into them are no better than on Japanese bikes and lesser quality than those used on the premium European brands. Their powerbands are abbreviated and laughably limited, especially considering the weight they're hauling around.

Most Harley riders these days are a bunch of bad-boy wannabe poseurs who wouldn't know a sparkplug from an espresso machine.


131 posted on 11/25/2005 7:29:23 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: blarney

"The Vrods are about the highest performance bikes out there now."

Give me a break. A stock V-Rod can't even get into the 10s at the drag strip, which every current litre-class superbike can. Its engine makes decent (only decent, a little over 100 HP at the rear wheel, compared to 150+ for the sport bikes I mentioned) power but the bike weighs over 600 lbs.


132 posted on 11/25/2005 7:32:46 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: blarney

Sounds like you're the one with self-delusions, you Harley fan-boy!


133 posted on 11/25/2005 7:35:44 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: blarney
American V-Twin is a disgrace. It is a 60 horsepower boat anchor.

And, ahem, a V-Max is a 4 cylinder....still slow and outdated.

Ok. I will support my argument this way:
My bike is a Yamaha FJR1300. SPORT TOURER
146 horsepower @ 8000rpm, redlines at 13,000rpm
99ft. lbs torque @ 7000rpm
16 valves, DOHC, electronic fuel injection
48mm Soqi telescopic fork w/adjustable preload, compression and rebound damping
ANTI-LOCK BRAKES
Standard hard bags(not a $600 ad-on)
list goes on and on

Now what does a $12,000 Harley have? (and don't say, "nostalgia" or I will throw up)
134 posted on 11/25/2005 7:39:50 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Yeah, but will it make a sound like the end of the world and cause small children and animals to cower when you ride past? Well, what's the point then? /sarc


135 posted on 11/25/2005 7:42:42 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: TXBSAFH

"You are so right, and the honda is a better bike, that is easier on you to ride and easier on you pocket book."

I don't know about that. The honda may be a "better" bike, but the two Harley's that I owned went up in value from purchase to sale - cost is more than purchase price. The Honda I owned dropped quite a bit when I sold it. And as far as cruising, the Harleys were so much more fun.


136 posted on 11/25/2005 7:42:45 AM PST by SoCal_Republican (Bubbleheads for Bush)
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To: VRing

On my 2000 CBR 600 F4, I can only stand being on it for a couple of hours before my knees cramp up and I MUST stretch my legs. Of course by then it’s ready for a fill up


137 posted on 11/25/2005 7:48:48 AM PST by ElTianti
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To: Poser
"Poser".....What a strangely cute name for someone defending Harleys.

Come to think of it, most Harley riders around here are "posers"

*grin

BMW and Vespa rider here. HD's are okay, just a little bulky in the hills.

138 posted on 11/25/2005 7:52:07 AM PST by glasseye
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To: -YYZ-
Have you read the "Harley Burger"?
Great read that is too long to post here. Written by Black Echo and I give him full credit.

To sum it up, he wrote that Harley Burger franchise opened up where they sell one type of burger. The burger cost $70 and does not come with any condiments, no tomato, no lettuce. All condiments are and extra $10 each. Fries and a drink are an additional $50.
The Harley burger must be consumed in the Harley establishment amongst other Harley Burger patrons. There is a strict dress code and you are not allowed to eat in the establishment unless you are wearing officially licensed and endorsed Harley Burger gear.
You are not allowed to talk about nor associate the Honda Burger next door where you can get a full half pound burger combo with fries and a drink and any condiments you like for $4.99.

The actual read is about three pages and make you LYAO.
139 posted on 11/25/2005 7:55:50 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

You keep thinking that, it's good for ya I'm sure. It's still a fact that you have to spend a lot of time telling everyone why your bike is so much better, American Vtwin riders don't because people know.

Oh by they way hp is bragging rights only, toque gets the job done and 99ft lbs is kiddie stuff. So you can put it any way you want and explain it anyway you want but fact of the matter is if it was so great you wouldn't have to tell everyone.


140 posted on 11/25/2005 8:01:48 AM PST by blarney
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Since I don't need to drive 150 mph to make people notice me I guess the answer is "no".


141 posted on 11/25/2005 8:02:49 AM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: blarney

Sounds like somebody is equating "faster" with "better".

[If NASA ever starts building motorcycles, he'll -never- shut up]....;]


142 posted on 11/25/2005 8:10:01 AM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: Salamander
"Sounds like somebody is equating "faster" with "better"."

Click on his screen name - He thinks his dog is his son.

143 posted on 11/25/2005 8:12:25 AM PST by wireman
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To: HOTTIEBOY

The funny thing is don't have anything against Harleys, per se. The make a modern classic, kind of like a Morgan +4, for those that like such things. They seem to be reasonably reliable and they make a good touring rig, albeit a little underpowered in stock form. Given the incremental nature of technical improvements in their line, however, it's a little disappointing that they've had as many problem as they have with their TC88 motors and the new 6-speed tranny.

What galls me is people throwing around this "real" bike crap. A real bike is one that gets used for its intended purpose. "Real" bikes don't get trailered to the outskirts of Sturgis and then ridden into town.


144 posted on 11/25/2005 8:12:36 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: blarney
"American Vtwin riders don't because people know."

Know what? Please tell me how a 1400cc V-twin with 60hp is better than a 600cc I4 with 130hp. I am no mathematician but it is fairly obvious.
Without lining them up, tell me which bike is faster.
60hp pulling 700lbs....
or 130hp pulling 375lbs.
145 posted on 11/25/2005 8:13:10 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: blarney

Torque don't do crap on its own. HP is what gets the job done. Harley's make good torque down low, which results in decent low-end power. But they usually sign off before 6000 rpm is even reached, greatly limiting the amount of HP they can make.


146 posted on 11/25/2005 8:14:43 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: -YYZ-

6000? try 4000


147 posted on 11/25/2005 8:17:24 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: blarney

LOL!

[kinda like those "Home Of The Whopper" underwear, right?]






148 posted on 11/25/2005 8:17:39 AM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Yeah, but what kind of roll-on performance in top gear at 65 mph does that 600 have? Pathetic, that's what. You'll need to downshift once or twice to get decent pull out of 600 sport bike.

Me, I like bikes that go both ways - good torque down low and HP up top. The Kawasaki ZRX1100 is a good example of this - it'll pull cleanly and strongly from 2000 rpm, and ends up making over 110 HP at the rear wheel.

The only Harley big-twin type motors that make over 100 RWHP are oversized (100+ c.i.) heavily tuned monsters that most people would not consider a pleasant riding experience.


149 posted on 11/25/2005 8:20:22 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: HOTTIEBOY

"But today a V-Max is slow compared to the rest of the liter plus sport bikes"

I own both a VMAX and a CBR929. The VMAX is a pig compared the the CBR but I can't take the wife for a ride on the rocket. But - The VMAX is the only bike I've ever owned that every time I ride it I get asked if it's for sale.


150 posted on 11/25/2005 8:21:04 AM PST by VRing
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