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Limbo Consigned to History Books
Times Online ^ | 11/30/2005 | Richard Owen

Posted on 12/06/2005 4:34:25 PM PST by peyton randolph

THE Pope is set to abolish the concept of Limbo, overturning a belief held by Roman Catholics since the Middle Ages.

Limbo has long been held to be the place where the souls of children go if they die before they can be baptised. However, a 30-strong international commission of theologians summoned by the late John Paul II last year to come up with a “more coherent and illuminating” doctrine in tune with the modern age is to present its findings to Pope Benedict XVI on Friday....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholicism; kids; limbo; pope
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1 posted on 12/06/2005 4:34:25 PM PST by peyton randolph
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2 posted on 12/06/2005 4:37:33 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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LOL. Now consigning that type of Limbo to history books would be a tragedy.


3 posted on 12/06/2005 4:40:47 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Good God, what's next? the Hully Gully?


4 posted on 12/06/2005 4:42:27 PM PST by cloud8
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Can you say:
Purgatory?
5 posted on 12/06/2005 4:42:41 PM PST by michwm
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I found some "limbo" pictures that couldn't be posted on Free Republic.


6 posted on 12/06/2005 4:42:53 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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I thought you were talking about Rush Limbo.

Rush is MAKING history instead of being history.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

7 posted on 12/06/2005 4:44:36 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: peyton randolph

I usually rely on the Times for an accurate rendition of what the Church teaches. (Yes, that's sarcasm.)

Let's see what's in the current Catechism, just for laughs:

1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them.

Golly. No unwarranted speculation. What a shock.


8 posted on 12/06/2005 4:45:36 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I found some "limbo" pictures that couldn't be posted on Free Republic.

As long as they don't involve Janet Reno, Helen Thomas or Hillary, I'll do a Google image search for them.

9 posted on 12/06/2005 4:46:35 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: peyton randolph

Limbo never was official doctrine. It is just a theory.


10 posted on 12/06/2005 4:46:49 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: siunevada

The Church never taught the doctrine of limbo. It was always simply theological speculation.


11 posted on 12/06/2005 4:47:27 PM PST by SaintThomasMorePrayForUs
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To: Paleo Conservative
How about this one?

 

12 posted on 12/06/2005 4:51:21 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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I love Elmo. He is so sweet and polite.


13 posted on 12/06/2005 4:58:12 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles (Liberals are unfit for citizenship in a country that values freedom and courage.)
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To: michwm

Nope. Purgatory is doctrine. The state of limbo is a hypothesis.


14 posted on 12/06/2005 5:11:06 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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> Purgatory is doctrine. The state of limbo is a hypothesis.

Quick, somebody tell Dante.


15 posted on 12/06/2005 5:14:32 PM PST by cloud8
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Whatever may be wrong or right with this, that is one of the wittiest headlines of the year.


16 posted on 12/06/2005 5:34:51 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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My impression is that in Dante Limbo is the circle of Hell where those who died without practicing the virtue of Hope, but without other over-riding sins, end up. It wasn't so much the "failing to get your ticket punched" thing as the, speaking loosely, "natural" outcome (as the other circles are for their sins) of the absence of a particular grace-endowed virtue and the consequent inevitably defective practice of Love.

I would venture to say that human life lived without Hope is pretty bleak, and while on earth we can pretty successfully distract ourselves from the emptiness of a destiny without a culmination in which the meeting of righteousness and peace, of justice and mercy come true in and for us. We can use all sorts of grand words like "stern" and "heroic" to describe what is, at best an ultimately tragic, but more likely a finally pathetic view of things. As I read Dante, Hell, built by Love, reveals the truth and peels away the distractions.

So we're left with the problem of Baptism as effective ex opere operato on the one hand and the difficulty in assigning anything but formal viciousness to infants on the other. I look forward to hearing what the nabobs come up with.

17 posted on 12/06/2005 5:49:16 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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> I would venture to say that human life lived without Hope is pretty bleak..

Why sure. Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate. Last time I read the Divine Comedy it was like trying to learn the Italian phone book, 70 BC-AD 1300. Talk about hopeless :)

> So we're left with the problem of Baptism as effective ex opere operato on the one hand and the difficulty in assigning anything but formal viciousness to infants on the other.

I'm not a Catholic, so I don't worry about it. God loves unbaptized infinks too.


18 posted on 12/06/2005 6:36:33 PM PST by cloud8
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fecemi la divina podestate,
la somma sapienza e 'l primo amore.

It's not just Catholics who hold that Baptism is efficacious in itself. And, as the above suggests, it's not a failure of Divine Love that consigns people to Hell.

It's just a theological knot to struggle with, over here the rebirth of Baptism, over there il primo amore and the unbaptized.

19 posted on 12/07/2005 6:27:09 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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> It's just a theological knot to struggle with, over here the rebirth of Baptism, over there il primo amore and the unbaptized.

But I thought the pope was about to resolve the problem by consigning limbo to...well...

> fecemi la divina podestate,
la somma sapienza e 'l primo amore.

Dinanzi a me non fuor cose create
se non etterne, e io etterno duro.

Do you know the Princeton Dante Project? A truly wonderful resource.


20 posted on 12/07/2005 7:23:53 AM PST by cloud8
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