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NYT: Bush Secretly Lifted Some Limits on Spying in U.S. After 9/11, Officials Say
New York Times ^ | December 15, 2005 | JAMES RISEN and ERIC LICHTBLAUD

Posted on 12/15/2005 5:27:25 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Months after the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials.

Under a presidential order signed in 2002, the intelligence agency has monitored the international telephone calls and international e-mail messages of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States without warrants over the past three years in an effort to track possible "dirty numbers" linked to Al Qaeda, the officials said. The agency, they said, still seeks warrants to monitor entirely domestic communications.

The previously undisclosed decision to permit some eavesdropping inside the country without court approval represents a major shift in American intelligence-gathering practices, particularly for the National Security Agency, whose mission is to spy on communications abroad. As a result, some officials familiar with the continuing operation have questioned whether the surveillance has stretched, if not crossed, constitutional limits on legal searches.

"This is really a sea change," said a former senior official who specializes in national security law. "It's almost a mainstay of this country that the N.S.A. only does foreign searches."

Nearly a dozen current and former officials, who were granted anonymity because of the classified nature of the program, discussed it with reporters for The New York Times because of their concerns about the operation's legality and oversight.

According to those officials and others, reservations about aspects of the program have also been expressed by Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, the West Virginia Democrat who is the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and a judge presiding over a secret court that oversees intelligence matters.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; alqaeda; bigbrother; bush; carnivore; fakebutaccurate; homelandsecurity; nsa; patriotleak; sept11; september11; september12era; spying
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1 posted on 12/15/2005 5:27:27 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

While there should be limit, it's crazy if he didn't do that after 9/11.


2 posted on 12/15/2005 5:28:41 PM PST by paudio (Is it OK to say Merry Christmas to you...?)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Is there a second source? After the fake ballots went up in flames, I don't consider the NY Times a credible news source.


3 posted on 12/15/2005 5:29:19 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: West Coast Conservative

Nearly a dozen current and former officials, who were granted anonymity because of the classified nature of the program, discussed it with reporters for The New York Times because of their concerns about the operation's legality and oversight.

Granted anonymity by who? The NYT?
These fifth columnists need to be hung for their "concerns"
that out weigh national security.


4 posted on 12/15/2005 5:30:51 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The NYT talks about that like it's a bad thing.


5 posted on 12/15/2005 5:30:51 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Oh, Well done Mr. President, it's good to see you are up
to the demands of this war.


6 posted on 12/15/2005 5:31:47 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Nearly a dozen current and former officials, who were granted anonymity because of the classified nature of the program, discussed it with reporters for The New York Times because of their concerns about the operation's legality and oversight.

Another freaking leak..

7 posted on 12/15/2005 5:31:58 PM PST by Dog
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To: West Coast Conservative

Lets hope the National Security Agency has an agent embeded in the NYT newsroom. There is a pony in that pile of manure.


8 posted on 12/15/2005 5:32:30 PM PST by hgro (A)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Good. I like Bush even more.


9 posted on 12/15/2005 5:32:32 PM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: West Coast Conservative
If Clinton can issue an EO to keep Navy divers quiet about flight 800, Bush can certainly issue an EO to stop terrorist who want to kill innocent civilians.
10 posted on 12/15/2005 5:33:19 PM PST by TBall
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To: Dog
Someone should ask the bastards at the Times if they like the fact that we have not been attacked again.

My guess is they don't like it at all.
11 posted on 12/15/2005 5:33:59 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Dog

Leak nothing. "Anonymous source" = fake story. Nowadays the MSM even gets weather reports from anonymous sources.


12 posted on 12/15/2005 5:35:17 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

If he didn't, he would be negligent


13 posted on 12/15/2005 5:35:41 PM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Let's see,

Government officials,some officials familiar with the continuing operation , a former senior official who specializes in national security law. ,Nearly a dozen current and former officials,a judge presiding over a secret court....

Oh yes, I'm over come with gratitude to these faceless,
nameless, unverifiable testimonials and hearsay.

The old grey whore ain't what she used to be.


14 posted on 12/15/2005 5:36:57 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Pukin Dog
One of the drawbacks of living in the Midwest is that I will have no opportunity to run across a Times reporter and give him a good talking-to. These guys are so insulated that they don't realize the contempt most of us have for them.

And by the way, I think we need to know the names of these anonymous sources.

15 posted on 12/15/2005 5:38:28 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
NYT: Bush Secretly Lifted Some Limits on Spying in U.S. After 9/11, Officials Say

Finally, a positive story on President Bush from the MSM.
And the folks at the New York Times don't even realize they've
just given Dubya a likely boost in the polls.
16 posted on 12/15/2005 5:41:23 PM PST by VOA
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To: West Coast Conservative
Nearly a dozen current and former officials, who were granted anonymity because of the classified nature of the program, discussed it with reporters for The New York Times because of their concerns about the operation's legality and oversight.

And, of course, the NY Slimes believes these people (if they exist) with no proof. Personally, I do not think these people exist. It is the Slimes after all.

17 posted on 12/15/2005 5:44:16 PM PST by technomage
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To: West Coast Conservative

Yaaaaawwwwwn!!!


18 posted on 12/15/2005 5:45:23 PM PST by Dr. Free Market (Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

More treasonous leaks from the intelligence agencies.


19 posted on 12/15/2005 5:46:09 PM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: TBall

I'm impressed you have been paying close attention.
Regards


20 posted on 12/15/2005 5:49:58 PM PST by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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