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Krupnik has said he erected the sickening Christmas display in protest against the commercialization of the holiday.

Duh, yup, sure. Alls of us'n really bulieves this Christmas-hating lunatic.

Only deranged minds would engage in this kind of atrocity.

These crackpots demonstrate a visceral hatred of Christians, Christmas, and its sacred meaning to billions of people around the world.

There's a place for sickos like this: a padded cell, in straitjackets.

Better yet, Joel and Mildred, if you don't like the way I celebrate Christmas, then GTH out of my country.

1 posted on 12/19/2005 4:32:34 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
This "Marine" should be charged with trespassing and malicious destruction of property for starters.

Being outraged does not give one the right to criminal behavior.

2 posted on 12/19/2005 4:40:52 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Liz
Good for you Julius, Santa is not the reason for the season anyway, I never let my children believe in this popular lie about a fat man in a red suit and flying raindeers, I couldn't bear the guilt of lying to my children to have them later be disappointed. What a scam to take the meaning away from Jesus Christ our presious savior.
3 posted on 12/19/2005 4:40:56 AM PST by garylmoore (Homosexuality: Obviously unnatural, so obviously wrong.)
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To: SunnySide
Now I'm off to write a large donation check to Focus on The Family. A wonderful organization gifted with *wisdom* for the centuries instead of daily rating sound bites used by the biased liberal media to promote anti-Christianity and anti-Family vitriol. Focus on The Famly is wisdom, something whacky liberals are incapable of wrapping their collective thin-skinned minds around.

The abysmal event described here also serves to underline the cultural undermining going on, which Focus on The Family might address.

4 posted on 12/19/2005 4:41:54 AM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: Liz

Although Julius Spohn should not have gone on private property to commit such an act (loudly applauding him), the crack pot Krupnik that erected the Santa actually incited the act.


6 posted on 12/19/2005 4:45:43 AM PST by Dustbunny (Christ is the reason for the season)
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To: Liz

Bravo, Marine, Bravo!


8 posted on 12/19/2005 4:46:57 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: Liz
I am a fervent believer in Christ, celebrate Chrismas, and I agree the person who put this up is a hateful, shriveled up spiteful little rat turd.

I also have no idea why Santa is a holy part of Christmas..., and yes, I know the history of St. Nicholas. When I see what Christmas has become, I think strangling "Santa Claus" might not be a bad idea myself.

Is it possible to love the idea of Christmas and hate with all your being what it has become?

As an aside, we celebrated Christmas a week early, as my wife is flying out to visit relatives today and yesterday was the last day we would all be together. For various reasons, we had two people join our family for the meal and for presents. One of these kids was Mexican and not very wealthy at all. When the gifts were opened, he pointed to a box and to me and said in his broken English "For you." It turned out that many months ago, I had enlisted him to help me move some stuff, and I complimented him on his Nike sneakers. The kid remembered that, and when we invited him in to share Chistmas meal with us, he went out an bought me an identical pair for Christmas! I have seldom been so moved by an expression of simple love and generosity, as his budget was not one that made such a purchase "easy." If there is a reason to keep St Nicholas in Christmas, that kind of stuff it is. I would be more in favor of Santa displays if there were some way to get that kind of stuff in there, rather than "BUY BUY BUY!!!!"

9 posted on 12/19/2005 4:48:06 AM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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Funny how this piece of crap is tolerated and protected as "free speech" but when it's about Jesus, all of a sudden it's "forcing your beliefs on someone else" and "offensive". Glad these folks aren't my neighbors. I'd be really concerned about living near someone who would even THINK UP something like that, much less have the nerve to be so in-your-face as to actually put up something that they know would be so offensive to everyone else.


10 posted on 12/19/2005 4:48:09 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Liz

While we don't have to like the display, the guy was in the wrong. He did tresspass and tear up the owners' property.


11 posted on 12/19/2005 4:48:48 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Liz
"I'm ripping this piece of garbage down."

'Nuf said. Too bad he apologized, because he had nothing to apologize for. The ghouls who set this up should have been apologizing!

12 posted on 12/19/2005 4:53:10 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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Bravo , Bravo , Semper Fi and a Merry Christmas to him and his whole family . . .


16 posted on 12/19/2005 5:02:47 AM PST by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: Liz

The man has no impulse control.


20 posted on 12/19/2005 5:08:34 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: Liz

Good work, Marine. As usual.


29 posted on 12/19/2005 5:39:22 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: Liz; Old Sarge

What an idiotic display. My kids know the reason for the season is Jesus, but good Lord, we do have fun with SAnta. I get so sick and tired of people thinking that they cannot peacefully coexist. ARGH!


32 posted on 12/19/2005 5:48:48 AM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: Liz

He was wrong but his heart was in the right place. LOL


37 posted on 12/19/2005 6:07:11 AM PST by TNdandelion
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To: Liz
All Good Points.

I believe that while it was trespassing and destruction of property and should be subject to law, he did the right thing.

I don't necessarily think though he should be prosecuted. if anything, give 'em both d.c. tickets--IMHO, if he didn't do it, someone else eventually would have. Plus, it's not like Julius saw a brownhouse and vandalized it. That would be trespass and destruction of property. He walked through a gate and put the display on the ground.

If these Nutts were able to hang their gory display back up, folks, did he really destroy any property? IMHO, not at all.

However, free speech is not absolute, and Uncle Joel here needs to learn that. Speech that is hateful, gruesome, obscene, or depicts something clearly beyond poor taste is generally held NOT to be protected speech.

What Joel should have realized is that by displaying such a perverted display, he'd be instigating his own problem. It's a lot like yanking the dog's ears and tail until he bites you, then trying to have the dog put down because he bit you.

Having a beef about Christmas is his own can of worms. If that's what this Scrooge thinks, fine. While I'm sorry he believes it, that's his problem to deal with, not mine. But setting up a grisly fake murder of Santa Claus in public sight is a different case entirely.

Especially when this Moonbat's teenage daughter came up with the idea. That's what makes it even more disturbing.

48 posted on 12/19/2005 6:51:32 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Liberalism: The world's singular leading cause of truth decay...)
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To: Liz
my thoughts on a proper response to such a display have ranged from a non-liberal, non-pc display on 'MLK' day... to a much more polite (and better) solution...

People motivated to view any of the anti-Christmas displays, should go to their houses and start carolling. The people inside those houses would go nutz if they heard Christmas carols every night.

hehehe... that is just better.

64 posted on 12/19/2005 8:02:30 AM PST by sten
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Better yet, Joel and Mildred, if you don't like the way I celebrate Christmas, then GTH out of my country.

Right on. And if you don't like the way they celebrate Christmas, GTH out of theirs.

All season long we Freepers have been rightly applauding the retailers who say "MERRY CHRISTMAS", despite the fact that some people will be offended by it. There's something un-American about allowing our actions to be dictated by fears of offending somebody.

Well, that has to cut both ways and back again. If this guy was offended by the way some jerks observe Christmas, he should have said something offensive back to them and left it at that.

65 posted on 12/19/2005 8:03:54 AM PST by Physicist
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Nicktoons has been running promos nonstop for an Invader Zim cartoon that features the song:

"Bow Down, Bow Down, Before the Power of Santa,

or Be Crushed, Be Crushed,

By His Jolly Boots of Doom."

This is for little kids.

66 posted on 12/19/2005 8:23:05 AM PST by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: Liz

I was on 18th St. on Thursday & saw this display. It's a quiet block in a fairly low-key area of Manhattan, a few blocks away from the Village. A few doors down from this brownstone there is a row of houses that are among the oldest remaining in Manhattan, more than 150 years old & on the National Register of Historic Places. I'd wanted to take a picture of these houses for quite some time but am not often in that neighborhood. I'd heard about the bloody Santa display but didn't know it was on that block.

The building where the display is has some of the most amazing gargoyles I've ever seen. Some looked like fairly recent additions, but there were many where it was difficult to tell how old they were. These brownstones are typically around 80-100 years old. Thing is, when you see a collection like that, it's usually a tip-off that the owner is some type of eccentric, to one degree or another.

The display itself was much ado about nothing, with the exception of Santa's bloody knife, and a prominently displayed, bloody & decapitated Barbie doll strung in a tree a few feet away. It was certainly one of the more extreme & nonsensical expressions of opinion on something like a holiday that I've seen, but I certainly didn't think it was worth wasting any time thinking about. There's always going to be some wacko looking for attention. And there's always going to be someone whose feelings steer them toward misguided acts who will give them that attention.

I snapped a few pictures & went on my way. While I was there, a few people stopped to look, had some sort of reaction, & continued on their way as well. Nothing to see here? Perhaps that's overstating it. Little to see here, is more like it. If you care about Christmas & think it was somehow disgraceful...well, I saw a poster above state that this was not 'destruction of property,' which is probably true. However, to say that it was not trespass is completely inaccurate.

Anybody has the right to protest on the street & call attention to this if they find it offensive. I would suggest that if it bothered this guy so much, that's what he should have done. Of course, then he's calling attention to something that should be ignored as much as possible, in my view. Even more obviously, what he did called even more attention to it.

Brilliant.

I will not disagree that this is probably more of a protest on Christmas than one about the commercialization of it. Nevertheless, unless I care to call the person a liar, then I may accept that they are sincere. To be honest, though, I fail to see why anyone would care all that much. This is not a school block, so, outside of neighbors (and I will point out that this is a very expensive area in which to own such property), I don't think all that many children are going to see this display. Until it made the news, that is. (There was a report on the local cable news outlet about it early last week, but a minor one) I do like the idea that children raised properly will either understand the ridiculousness of this, or will have it explained to them by their parents. I realize that there are many scenarios in which this is not going to be the case, but in the bigger picture I don't think this is something that's going to damage or scar a child, especially one who's growing up in a place like Manhattan.

I will not post the photos I took, because I will not give this the sort of attention they're so eagerly seeking. I did show them later that day to one of the most rabidly liberal people that I know. He was shocked, outraged, and looked physically ill when he was handing my camera back to me. He didn't say 'hate speech,' but, knowing liberals as I do, I have a feeling it was on the tip of his tongue. He's lost interest in throwing that term out at me, though, at this point. In any case, I understand the outrage, but there are things I find far more outrageous--such as what looks like a transit strike in this city 12 hours from now--and I say let a jerk put something like this in his front yard, and let the rest of us roundly ignore it.


67 posted on 12/19/2005 8:48:03 AM PST by One-Four-Five
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How does destroying a maccabre "Santa" display "save Christmas"? Jesus had no part of this display. It is a shame to see this ex-Marine confusing Santa for Christ somehow. There is no connection. Better had he added a Mother and Child to the display.


68 posted on 12/19/2005 8:52:49 AM PST by montag813
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