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Military aircraft following commercial airliner
12/19/05 | Jigsaw John

Posted on 12/19/2005 6:25:35 PM PST by Jigsaw John

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To: shield

That crossed our minds too. But if that were the case, it seems they would have been accompanying/escorting the aircraft when we first saw it coming out of the east on it's westbound approach. These fighters appeared to be orbiting, at a higher altitude above the approach, waiting for the commercial aircraft to reach them, then they seemed to descend and followed in behind it.


61 posted on 12/19/2005 9:41:32 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Jigsaw John

Hmmm...wonder if we'll ever know?


62 posted on 12/19/2005 9:43:05 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: shield

And they wonder why Americans are getting tired of them. Hopefully they will not wake up anytime soon. Did you hear the Kerry quote which went something like, "American soldiers should not be going into Iraqis houses terrorizing women and children. The Iraqis should be doing that!" The man is insane...purely insane.


63 posted on 12/19/2005 9:54:15 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: Jigsaw John

Here's a thought, and no tinfoil required:

Some areas often have multiple airports and even military air fields all under the same set of controllers. That's the way it works up here in Seattle, where SeaTac, Boeing field ~and~ McChord AFB are all under the purview of Seattle Center. It's likely true of the LAX area as well.

Military air going into local air fields would, out of necessity, have to coordinate patterns with commercial traffic. They'd be routed into the same approaches, especially if they are going to either the same place or a place nearby.

It is possible that the military jets were circling waiting for traffic to clear so they could get routed to their own approach.


64 posted on 12/19/2005 9:56:44 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: shield

The Kerry exchange (with Bob Schieffer):

And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not...

SCHIEFFER: Yeah.

Sen. KERRY: ...Iraqis should be doing that.


65 posted on 12/19/2005 9:57:31 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: Jigsaw John

Operation Noble Eagle is still in effect. There are still alert fighters out at March AFB...you can see them from the I215 south sitting under cover with the canopies open.

Norad will scramble them every once in a while at random....or scramble them if someone on the no fly list is determined to be on a plane over the US.

66 posted on 12/19/2005 10:03:17 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: shield
AM KFI 640 Los Angeles just reported an Air India flight just landed at LAX after reporting problems with it's landing gear. Nothing further.

I am confident this had nothing to do with what we observed.

67 posted on 12/19/2005 10:04:13 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Ramius
That would be possible. However, the military aircraft appeared to come in very close behind it, following it westbound until out of our sight.

That would be a first for us, after many years at our location. Observed thousands of aircraft on this approach and we never saw anything like that. I don't have any answers.

It may have been just as you said.

68 posted on 12/19/2005 10:13:24 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Jigsaw John; All

http://www.afa.org/magazine/feb2005/0205eagle.asp

Some good reading on Noble Eagle.


69 posted on 12/19/2005 10:13:43 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Jigsaw John
Check out this thread. Busy night over Los Angeles...

Sparks fly at LAX as 747 lands safely with faulty landing gear/tires

70 posted on 12/19/2005 10:17:31 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (Semper eo pro iocus.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
See # 67. We believe we saw that too. If it was the same aircraft, it was extremely low on it's westbound approach, 30 plus miles out.
71 posted on 12/19/2005 10:19:47 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Jigsaw John

The news said the Air India plane left LAX at 8:30 pm and dumped fuel for 90 minutes over the ocean before landing around 10 pm.

Your sighting took place around 6:30 pm, right?

Strange night.

Current reports are saying there were problems with the landing gears, not just blown tires.

Wonder if the deplaning of passengers has been delayed because they're waiting for the FBI and HS to arrive.


72 posted on 12/19/2005 10:27:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (Semper eo pro iocus.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
We are pretty sure we saw that Air India, as it came in extremely low heading north from north OC area, directly over our location, and then banked hard into the westbound approach. I yelled for my kid to come out and see it. It appeared to be a 747, and way low altitude. Came back inside and within about 15 minutes we heard the report coming over KFI-LA reporting Air India had just landed with landing gear problems.

Interesting evening.

73 posted on 12/19/2005 10:28:19 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

We are confident that had nothing to do with our earlier observations regarding the military aircraft.


74 posted on 12/19/2005 10:29:29 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Jigsaw John

Here's the answer:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543798/posts

Sparks fly at LAX as 747 lands safely with faulty landing gear/tires


75 posted on 12/19/2005 10:54:10 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: flying Elvis
No, that was much later than our observations. See #67, and #73.

What we initially observed regarding the military aircraft had nothing to do with the Air India incident.

76 posted on 12/19/2005 10:58:22 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: flying Elvis
To be clear, the time on this thread is 1835. So I estimate our earlier observations regarding the military aircraft was approximatly 1820 hrs. The Air India incident occurred much later. From what I understand the Air India flight landed around 2200.
77 posted on 12/19/2005 11:08:39 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Jigsaw John; flying Elvis
Thanks Jigsaw John. What a busy night in the skies.

I also explained to flying Elvis:

flying Elvis wrote: "Here's an earlier related thread. Mystery solved. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1543697/posts?page=1 Military aircraft following commercial airliner."


That would be a prescient case of military intelligence, remote viewing if you will, if these two incidents were at all related.

The Air India jet did not depart LAX until approximately 8:30 p.m. Your link went to a thread begun around 6:25 p.m.

Post 30


78 posted on 12/19/2005 11:13:46 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476
LOL. He probably didn't notice the post time for this thread. But I must say, when we heard the Air India report, we all kind of stared at each other.

See 73.

I'll be staying in the rest of the evening.

79 posted on 12/19/2005 11:21:00 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Jigsaw John

Maybe this was some sort of a drill, perhaps a step-up in readiness training.


80 posted on 12/19/2005 11:22:43 PM PST by Cementjungle
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