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The Messiah Dajjal Has Secretly Started Work
HarunYahya.com ^ | Jan., 2006 | Harun Yahya

Posted on 01/04/2006 10:59:01 PM PST by Dajjal

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This article is an important counterpart to my usual postings about Muslim End Time beliefs. Usually my goal is to explain how some Muslims are now thinking that the US and our Allies either collectively are the evil "Dajjal" (if Dajjal is a metaphor) or will be the base from which the evil Dajjal will carry out his evil activities when he comes (if Dajjal will be an individual person).

This article represents a different interpretation of the Dajjal hadiths by a rather well-known Muslim preacher, Harun Yahya.

I do not share Mr. Yahya's POV, but believe it deserves a fair hearing, and a posting at Free Republic for informational purposes.

If I may summarize his opinion (and I hope I'm doing it justice) it goes something like this:
* The signs are all around us that the world is coming to an end, and that the Day of Judgment is near
* Isa (the Muslim version of Jesus) will be descending on a cloud soon for his second coming
* Materialism, atheism, lust, greed, hatred, etc. are becoming more and more powerful as the End Time approaches
* Some Muslims are misinterpretting the Qur'an and becoming terrorists
* Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. are likewise turning to retaliatory violence against this terrorism
* This spiral of increasing violence is what Satan wants
* God wants us to sit down resolve our various disagreements peacefully

I hope I haven't mangled Yahya's beliefs too badly in that summary. It is a bit too Muslim-hippy-ish for my taste. But, frankly, I wish more Muslims were followers of Mr. Yahya, and fewer were aiming weapons at my countrymen and women.

It is important to point out that the belief that the Dajjal will appear on earth shortly before Judgment Day is part of Islamic dogma. Every faithful Muslim must believe it in some interpretation.

One crucial matter of interpretation is whether a Muslim believes that the End Times are coming soon, or whether they will come in the far-off, distant future.

Personally, I would prefer that people just project it into that distant future. But if a Muslim is going to believe that the End Times are coming soon, I'd rather he adopt some non-violent, anti-terrorist interpretation of the hadith, such as Mr. Yahya has developed.

1 posted on 01/04/2006 10:59:05 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Pyro7480; Sabertooth; JohnHuang2; Siobhan; HAL9000; MadIvan; Thorondir; Enemy Of The State; ...

Muslim End-Times ping


2 posted on 01/04/2006 11:02:14 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

You were here earlier.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1551582/posts

Islamic Dragger
http://www.freerepublic.com/~islamicdragger/


3 posted on 01/04/2006 11:03:08 PM PST by Darksheare (Bezerky Jerky the funky Turkey jerky strips! Yum!)
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To: Dajjal
I do not consider this article to have been previously posted because the title is incorrect, the bibliographic info is lacking, and the poster got zotted pretty badly by my fellow Freepers. Too bad, imho.
4 posted on 01/04/2006 11:03:20 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

Does it really take that many words to remind us that Moos suck?


5 posted on 01/04/2006 11:04:13 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Darksheare
Dajjal appears to be legit.
6 posted on 01/04/2006 11:05:59 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("MOO...BANG...MOOO!")
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To: Slings and Arrows

I dunno.
This was already posted, and here it is tehexact same thing.


7 posted on 01/04/2006 11:06:43 PM PST by Darksheare (Bezerky Jerky the funky Turkey jerky strips! Yum!)
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To: Dajjal

There is not enough hookah and ganja in the world to get me to plow through all that gibberish.


8 posted on 01/04/2006 11:06:54 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Dajjal

ping for later digestion.


9 posted on 01/04/2006 11:07:14 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Never Never Never Give Up!!!)
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To: Darksheare
I was at Post #44 of that thread, but I beleive you have me confused with somebody else.

I wish I had got to that thread earlier. It is extremely important for the US and our Allies to understand the Muslim End-Times beliefs. Many terrorists are motivated by their interpretation of them.

10 posted on 01/04/2006 11:08:22 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Darksheare; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
It looks like this thread has been restored, which I think is good. Thanks!

The beliefs of Muslims like Harun Yahya need to be understood seriously as the US develops its post-9/11 policy toward the Middle East and the Muslim world. Simply laughing at Muslim end-time beliefs may be okay for an individual American, but would truly be a mistake for American foreign policy.

The previous thread was beyond hope. There was no chance of having a serious discussion of the topic there.

11 posted on 01/04/2006 11:56:14 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

The previous thread, where you said this: "Moderator: A newbie has not posted the correct title of the article.
The correct title is: "The Messiah Dajjal Has Secretly Started Work" by Harun Yahya." had its title changed due to the poster being a retread zot.

This is still a duplicate thread.


12 posted on 01/04/2006 11:58:10 PM PST by Darksheare (Bezerky Jerky the funky Turkey jerky strips! Yum!)
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To: Dajjal

read later


13 posted on 01/04/2006 11:59:15 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Dajjal

"It is extremely important for the US and our Allies to understand the Muslim End-Times beliefs. Many terrorists are motivated by their interpretation of them."

As I recall, the leader of Iran is an "end-timer". Not good when you combine his/their threats against Israel and their progress towards nukes and missles.

Thanks for the summary too!


14 posted on 01/05/2006 12:04:05 AM PST by geopyg (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: Dajjal

Dajjal said in part, "It is extremely important for the US and our Allies to understand the Muslim End-Times beliefs."

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OPINION: Thanks for sharing dajjal.
Now here is what is really important, in my opinion.

Short Version:
AMERICA IS FIGHTING A WAR AGAINST TERRORISM AND TERRORISTS.
It is not a good time to be a terrorist.
That's all a terrorist really needs to know as he/she faces the "End-Times."


15 posted on 01/05/2006 12:05:29 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Darksheare
This is still a duplicate thread.

Maybe so. I'll leave that to the mods. I thought about how to try to salvage the other guy's thread for a few hours before posting this one.

If the mods had corrected the title, as I asked in post #44, that might have been a good start. I could ping people over and try to get a discussion going amidst the others' ridicule.

But eventually the truth sunk in that it was the mods themselves who had altered the title of that thread, were ridiculing it themselves, and had no desire for a serious discussion on that thread. That's when I started working on creating this one.

As a general rule, I dislike duplicate threads, too. But I have seen occasions where the second thread was needed.

16 posted on 01/05/2006 12:08:28 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

General rule of thumb is that duplicate threads are a bad thing.
Since this was restored, it seems that they have given a pass on this duplicate.


17 posted on 01/05/2006 12:10:11 AM PST by Darksheare (Bezerky Jerky the funky Turkey jerky strips! Yum!)
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To: Dajjal

....Bunch of nonsense.


18 posted on 01/05/2006 12:10:35 AM PST by Pro-Bush (We protect Korea's border better than our own!)
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To: All
For more information on Muslim Millenialism, please visit my FR Homepage.
19 posted on 01/05/2006 12:14:24 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: geopyg
As I recall, the leader of Iran is an "end-timer". Not good when you combine his/their threats against Israel and their progress towards nukes and missles.

Here are a couple of recent FR threads on Ahmadinejad's millennialism.

True Fanatic

Iran's Gov't Seeks Agreement with 12th Imam - in hiding since 13th century?

There's also a chap in Pakistan claiming to be the Mahdi and gathering a lot of followers.

Here’s the first Imam Mehdi for our eschatologists
(Although the author of the piece is wrong in thinking this guy is the first.)

20 posted on 01/05/2006 12:28:36 AM PST by Dajjal
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