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Holy War: The Year the Muslims Took Rome
Chiesa.com ^ | January 5, 2005 | Sandro Magister

Posted on 01/05/2006 6:25:09 AM PST by NYer

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To: Romish_Papist

Of Course...:)


41 posted on 01/05/2006 5:02:29 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: M. Espinola

The site below has some interesting computer graphics of what the church and other Byzantine Monuments looked like as of year 1200 AD.

http://www.byzantium1200.com/hagia.html
http://www.byzantium1200.com/contents.html


42 posted on 01/05/2006 7:56:46 PM PST by apro
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To: Aliska
Thank you for your thoughtful analysis.

I don't believe Christianity will prevail over Islam until the return of Christ.

Not so sure about that! Remember who we represent - the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. He has overcome the world. Also, if Christ has ordered us to make disciples of all nations, we have to believe that He is here to help us do just that.

43 posted on 01/05/2006 8:15:04 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
Not so sure about that! Remember who we represent - the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. He has overcome the world. Also, if Christ has ordered us to make disciples of all nations, we have to believe that He is here to help us do just that.

I don't claim to have any inside information or special insights, and tend to pessimism as I have watched social changes take such a downward turn the last 30, 40, or so years, but I thought at some point someone (as yet to be identified) will make war with the saints and overcome them. That does not mean to become passive though or that none will be left.

Your positive outlook is a good thing. True, disciples have not been made of some nations. The Muslims seem to be extremely resistant to conversion.

I try not to feed into end-time hype too much, but I do read the scriptures, don't claim to understand what much of them really mean other than a general outline for Christian living, morals, and the promise of a resurrection of the body when Christ returns.

Michael Reagan doesn't think much of what Pat Robertson said. I heard it just now.

44 posted on 01/05/2006 9:09:02 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

We have to be better Christians than the Islamists are Islamists. They have a Allah-centric worldview. American Christians do not have a Christocentric worldview, though some progress has been made their in recent years.

To be candid, I have been reading a lot of postmillenialist literature lately.


45 posted on 01/05/2006 9:18:45 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
To be candid, I have been reading a lot of postmillenialist literature lately.

What are you reading and by whom? I used to read a lot of that, but got bogged down and try to keep a level head.

Things are going to get very bad, I fear. We were told that near the end it was going to be very hard to be a Christian. Check. Some would argue it has always been hard. True, but society supported high morals even if they didn't follow them.

I don't know what to read any more. I pray for guidance and just try to live one day at a time, but do reflect a lot on scripture. I sure wish I could get a better handle on Daniel.

46 posted on 01/05/2006 9:29:33 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Don't forget the Koran suggests that, among other carnal delights, homosexual love is available for the Muslim Martyr in Paradise.


47 posted on 01/06/2006 10:39:02 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Aliska

Islam demands Jihad. There are greater and lesser Jihads. The lesser Jihad is war against us Jews and Christians who, the Koran teaches, are children of Apes and Pigs


48 posted on 01/06/2006 10:43:39 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Yes. One night marriages, in fact. It is useful when all those lonely men are on their pilgrimmages


49 posted on 01/06/2006 10:46:29 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: patent
Well, well. Perhaps I will have to reconsider Islam. Until now, I had never thought sacking a Consecrated Church was a proper response by anyone, least of all Muslims.

(I must be about two quarts low of Ecumenical antifreeze because I think my spiritual radiator is about to boil over)

50 posted on 01/06/2006 10:52:59 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

What is a greater jihad then? bornacatholic if you don't look closely looks like bornalcholic. One extra a and one missing l. No significance to that observation.

Speaking of alcoholism, that's an advantage the Muslims have with their prohibition of it. I'm not advocating we attempt to do that again, but the social and personal costs are inestimable, even though the scriptures say in the NT that drunkards will not be allowed into heaven. With our supposedly more enlightened understanding of the condition, I don't presume to know how that will play out.


51 posted on 01/06/2006 10:55:47 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

There are several good postmillenial sites that I know of:

http://www.garynorth.com

http:///www.freebooks.com (This is another Gary North site, though you can access many of the books though garynorth.com.)

http://www.garydemar.com

http://www.chalcedon.edu

Have fun!


52 posted on 01/06/2006 11:08:11 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
Just to stay on top of things, I'll check some of that out. Gary North kind of blew it with y2k tough. Thanks for the links.

Oddly, the first link I clicked on took me to a Rushdoony (I think hard to see the pic) book. I chased one of those down on inter-library loan awhile back (different title). It was in a bibliography of a catholic book by the late Fr. Vincent Micelli on the Antichrist.

What was curious about this one is that catholics don't talk much about the end times, and I'm concerned about the cashless society and ultimately a possible embedded chip for financial transactions. That may be kooky on my part. He made a reference in the back of the book to some material about the cashless society, and that was written quite awhile ago.

I just ordered 3 books on photography (used and fairly inexpensive for online books). They will keep me calmer. I'll never be privy to inside info about the end times so I'd better leave it be.

53 posted on 01/06/2006 4:34:17 PM PST by Aliska
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FWIW, the radio several times today has played a clip with what the Rev. Pat Robertson said about Sharon. I feel that I long ago outgrew Pat Robertson, but think when he first got started he was a man of faith. It seems like they want to make him look bad like he has embarassed the whole country or something.

One problem I had was they went charismatic which was ok with me then but not now, and then he did something that hindsight tells me was not a good thing to do. He had a show broadcast from Jerusalem and told everybody to get bread and had an online communion service. Dumb me, not knowing any better, went along with it.

I don't like to bash him though

54 posted on 01/06/2006 4:40:34 PM PST by Aliska
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To: dennisw
Vatican watcher journalist John Allen has no doubt the Catholic Church is afraid

Hey, John Allen, we've been around for over 2000 years. We're a genuine religion, not a cult built around a child molesting psychopath who encouraged war, not peace.

We are NOT afraid of this cult called "Islam."

55 posted on 01/07/2006 5:59:01 AM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: Aliska
bornacatholic if you don't look closely looks like bornalcholic

*In my neck of the woods we spell "alcholic" alcoholic

56 posted on 01/07/2006 6:10:18 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
I've been caught by the spell police. I spelled it correctly when I used the word "alcoholism" and counted the letters. Forgot the other "o".

I'll bet in your neck of the woods people make mistakes, too. I should have kept it all to myself.

Nice to wake up to. Hope the rest of my day goes better.

57 posted on 01/07/2006 7:41:08 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
I'll bet in your neck of the woods people make mistakes, too

*Other, yes. Me, not so much.

58 posted on 01/07/2006 8:15:53 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: NYer
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam

59 posted on 01/08/2006 6:10:55 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: NYer

BTTT!


60 posted on 01/10/2006 10:08:04 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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