Posted on 01/11/2006 10:58:18 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
Ah, I see. So even though there were laws against carrying concealed weapons or bombs on campus, these two happy campers at Columbine decided to break the law and kill a bunch of people.
Even so, many people on this thread believe it is against the law, or against common sense, to allow kids of any age to have any access at all to firearms. Even though the law in many states allows kids as young as twelve to have control of a firearm.
"Even so, many people on this thread believe it is against the law, or against common sense, to allow kids of any age to have any access at all to firearms. Even though the law in many states allows kids as young as twelve to have control of a firearm."
I question the accuracy of the word "many," in the context in which you use it, in the quote above. Some people on this thread believe a child's upbringing has a lot to do with his/her attitude toward gun safety as well as a lot of other things in life.
I was raised on a farm and I recall people coming out from the city to go “hunting" on our farm. I considered some of those people really lacking in proper gun training/attitudes, and I was just a kid. One day, I watched as one group tromped off around Noon. Over the course of their “hunt” they walked several miles. I heard them fire off dozens of rounds, then saw them come back hours later with 5 or 6 rabbits. Later that day I went out about a hundred yards at dusk with a BB gun to a brier patch I knew of and harvested two tender young bunnies for supper - head shots. A big part of my success in bunny rabbit harvesting was stealth (freeze when they're looking/move slowly). My real blessing was I had really good eyes.
My eyes are pretty bad now so gun proficiency is pretty much a moot point, but I still consider the gun safety training taught to me by my Dad as part of the overall training he imparted about being responsible, and respectable. Before we ate the little bunnies for Supper we prayed over the food, and asked God to bless our meal. I suspect we had a deeper understanding and respect for the balance of life, than many people in PETA. Considering the vast bounty of crops we raised, if the rabbit population feeding on those crops had been left unchecked, we wouldn’t have been able to walk without stepping on a rabbit. To this day I consider the folks from the community were I was raised to have a much higher value for human life, than anyone I ever met living in the big city.
So tote your rifle down to the school house and explain to the cops when they show up that The law, sir, is a ass. And while they're putting you in the back of their car, tell them you're just being patriotic.
I didn't say that I agree with the law or that I like the law, but the kids were in violation of the law. They were foolish to have had a rifle outside the car on school property. Unless this was staged so that they could get a case in front of the Supreme Court and argue the "law is a ass" argument, they were just stupid. And, as the law would have it, criminally stupid.
We have every right to try to change the law if we disagree with it, but until we're successful at changing it we need to live within it. Or be willing to suffer the consequences.
They're not going to federal court. This was obviously a state law or some kind of city ordinance that they violated because they are going to town court, according to the article.
Most, if not all, states have laws forbidding anyone other than law enforcement to carry a gun onto school property. I've heard of provisions that allow teachers to carry guns, but I don't know if any of those have ever been inacted.
The article says they were going to town court, I presume that to mean it was either a state law or a city ordinance.
how is it than any man or woman can be expected to know ALL of the edicts
Kids know they can't carry guns onto school property. Most adults do, too. In fact, I have a toting license, and I know all the places that I am and am not allowed to carry the gun. One of the places I am not allowed to carry the gun is onto government owned property (except for state and federal lands where I can hunt). Because I carry a gun, I've made it my business to know the laws regarding carrying that gun. I'm not saying I don't from time to time violate those laws, either because I'm not thinking about it or purposefully because I think there is a reasonable expectation that I may need to use my gun. But at the very least I know when I am in violation of the laws.
Handy piece of information to have.
If you don't like the law, lobby to get it changed. But until you are successful, the law is the law. You can live within the law or you can be prepared to face the consequences if you don't.
Oh, stop being reasonable and start the revolution already!
What did you think I meant by "lobby"?
My high school shop teacher allowed me to build a muzzle-loader in class. I guess that doesn't happen anymore.
Shhhhhh....
USSA (Union of Socialist States of America)
And I'm holding you accountable to rethink your values.
I wish you well.
But it doesn't grant permission for minors to hold a gun either.
So since it's not explicit you can't call yourself a strict constitutionalist now can you?
You are assuming it means minors too.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
They were?
Not lawfully on school grounds.
Best thing for you to do is to determine when you want your children to/not to handle firearms.
As for mine I have a proficient 12 year old, who I would trust to carry a gun ANYWHERE. A proficient 7 year old who I trust to carry anywhere with my supervision. I also have a 2 year old, who doesn't yet understand firearms, but knows now he isn't allowed to touch them, and will one day soon understand all of the safety rules for them.
As far as God helping me as you asked in an earlier post, He has. He blessed me with being born in a country whose founders had the foresight to understand that the government they were creating has as much potential for evil as it did for good. So they actually wrote on paper rights God has granted to every human being so that infringement will at the very least take much longer it had before. That's some of the help God has given me. You may choose to squander yours if you like.
My point was that it was not illegal for the kids to have a gun. With all the shrillness, it seemed there was some confusion on that topic in the thread.
Maybe if you live on Mars you believe that today's school life is like that of my youth where guns were no big deal.
However that lack of realistic observation only works to undermine and weaken the argument for the RKBA.
Very few believe that any and all arms are allowed on school grounds. Schools cannot allow it merely from the legal danger alone. School boards are not going to open themselves up to multi-million dollar lawsuits which would flow from shooting easily avoided.
But the biggest problem with your view is that there is NO right to carry guns anywhere and everywhere you want. Never has been and never will be.
Thank you Charles Schumer
justshutupandtakeit wrote:
--- there is NO right to carry guns anywhere and everywhere you want. Never has been and never will be.
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No one here is arguing that reasonable regulations cannot be drafted. -- Here's an example:
Alaska anti-gun-control law goes into effect Wednesday
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Are you prepared to argue that 'we the people' do not have a right to keep arms while traveling?
Apparently they fell out of the box when he was coming back from hunting. Leave it to the police K-9 unit to find them in the school parking lot, because he may have never known they fell out.
A good kid, not a rock, but suspended none the less.
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