New analysis shows three human migrations out of Africa, Replacement theory 'demolished'

Washington University in St. Louis ^ | 02 February 2006 | Tony Fitzpatrick

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Having watched both sides of this argument for years, I find it fascinating not just for the science, bur also for the way the scientists on both sides of the issue have behaved. I know enough not to stand between the two sides at times...you might get hit with a stray missle!

The science will be what the science is - but the passion both sides have displayed is interesting in its own right.

Someone, someewhere is working or will be working to tell us why this researcher is wrong, I am sure.

[Strategerist]

The out of Africa theory never explained the differences that are the various races of mankind,

What needs explaining are how tiny the differences are; there's more genetic diversity in the average Chimpanzee troupe of a couple dozen Chimpanzees than in the entire human race.,br>

[Varda]

One critique -
"Stanford University geneticist Peter A. Underhill is more critical of Templeton's approach. The number of people whose nuclear DNA sequences were analyzed in the new report was too small to provide convincing evidence, Underhill says.

No ancient gene sequences have been identified in living people that reflect their ancestors' interbreeding with Neandertals or any other extinct Homo species, the Stanford researcher says."

That's the problem with the Multiregional hypothesis, there's no evidence for it.

[ToryHeartland]

The theory of evolution is not controversial here.

Point taken, and gladly so! Much of the British press has reported your recent court case (in Pensylvania?) as a move by American 'conservatives' to introduce Biblical concepts into science teaching--but that makes no sense at all, least of all as a 'conservative' program. Here (UK) it is the socialists who are the culprits when it comes to politicising education; I have always assumed (without previously given it much thought, I admit) that the problem was the same in the US.

[Rocketwolf68]

O.K., everybody, send your dead to the Indian tribes in North America for proper burial of their "ancestors" and quit that archeological diggin', WE'RE ALL RELATED. No more special entitlements please...

[wolfcreek]

Science is like the weather, if you don't like what it says now, just wait a few minutes.

[shuckmaster]

fyi

[wolfcreek]

Maybe during glacial periods, ancient Asians and Europians moved back to Africa. When you mix all the different colors of people together, what do you get? Black!

[dmz]

LOL. On this side of the pond, it seems, everyone politicizes everything.

Read a thread about Britney Spears driving with her baby in her front seat, and someone will point out her political affiliation.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1574201/posts

see #6

[IrishCatholic]

In layman's terms. The theory used to be it's 700,000 years ago and you just emigrated from Africa, it's a Saturday night and there's nothing on cable. So you go out and kill everyone that doesn't look like you just came from Africa.

The new theory is that it's 700,000 years ago and you just emigrated from Africa, it's a Saturday night and there's nothing on cable. So you go out and suddenly see this hot chick that looks exotic. She gives you the eye, you give her the eye, next thing you know you got three kids and the in laws living in your cave.

Nature being nature the second one sounds the most plausible. It still goes on today.

[DesertSapper]

Woohoo! Another CREVO thread.

I just love following these: The darwinists claim the creationists have a "lack of education" . . . someone posts multiple links to scientific pro-creation websites . . . macro-evolutionists fire back with the claim that those scientists are whackjobs despite all their academic accolades . . . creationists claim the dawinist posters don't have anywhere near as many letters after their names . . . darwinists claim the creationists ARE the missing links they've been looking for . . . the discussion DEVOLVES into a shouting match . . .

All the while I continue to read periodically while trying to accomplish real work on the other PC. It's a hoot. Entertainment at its best.

[bill1952]

Here (UK) it is the socialists who are the culprits when it comes to politicising education; I have always assumed (without previously given it much thought, I admit) that the problem was the same in the US.

It is exactly the same here.

Another problem is that the MSM twists everything around to support its agenda for change, ie, Socialism, so that you would believe that everything is the fault of conservatives.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

So, you had nothing to actually add to this discussion? :)

[bill1952]

I do wonder about his using his own computer program to validate his own research, but hey, perhaps thats just me remembering the GIGO theory.

[shuckmaster]

Is he saying that we do have a genetic intermix with Neanderthal or not?

From what I've read elsewhere, modern human DNA split from Neanderthal DNA about 700,000 years ago and about 300,000 years ago Neanderthals arrived in Europe replacing (or assimilating) an earlier hominid from whom we have no DNA samples. The great human/Neanderthal question has always been whether or not the modern humans who began moving into Eurasia after a great ice age a little more that 50,000 years ago interbred or simply wiped out the few Neanderthals who survived that ice age. I don't see where anything in this article changes what is all ready known about that.

[SunkenCiv]

:'D :'D :'D :'D

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks shuckmaster. Pinging GGG to another Crevo bloodbath, just because it's quite interesting. Of course, the idea that geography can be traced ad hoc by genetic studies (or in the case of mtDNA, "studies") is specious.

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[ahayes]

No, mitochondrial DNA indicates no interbreeding between us and Neanderthals. This is talking about multiple populations of Homo erectus if I'm reading it correctly.

[DesertSapper]

Thank you. You have already proven my previous assertion . . .

So predictable.

Please continue the thread . . . : )

[ahayes]

Let's note that wiping out a population does not exclude the possibility of interbreeding with it. There's no reason to assume that our habit of enslaving women from the population on the losing side of a war started only recently.

I wonder if they accounted for this? I'm sure the magnitude of the genetic contributions of each population could tell the difference between peaceful coexistence and subjugation.