[PatrickHenry]

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[PatrickHenry]

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[kentj]

Ah Dam Bubba now what ya gonna do with all them hoods?

[Adder]

"Templeton said that the fossil record indicates a significant change in brain size for modern humans at 700,000 years ago..."

"Heyyyyy...wait a minute...we're still in Africa! OOweena! Get the kids...we're leavin!"

[ToryHeartland]

"I set up a null hypothesis and the program rejected that hypothesis using the new data with a probability level of 10 to the minus 17th. In science, you don't get any more conclusive than that. It says that the hypothesis of no interbreeding is so grossly incompatible with the data, that you can reject it."

A very neat illustration of the self-correcting mechanism in scientific methodology, and Popper's principle of "falsifiability". I have marvelled to witness, on another thread here, that a number of folks don't seem to understand the scientific meaning of 'theory,' and insist on using the term in its vernacular sense. Theory of Evolution is not controversial outside the US (at least, not in the developed western world), it is simply subject to increasing refinement as more data points are accumulated, as is any scientific theory.

[Vaquero]

Is he saying that we do have a genetic intermix with Neanderthal or not? they supposedly went belly up around 35,000 years ago, but he wasn't talking about that time frame. I suppose if Neanderthal migrated back to africa over various periods of time that they are in our DNA and not just a dead end, but he is not that specific.

[Pharmboy]

Just wanted to make sure you'f seen this...

[Junior]

...and that these populations persisted instead of going extinct...

Okay, maybe the coffee hasn't kicked in yet, but what's the difference?

[old and tired]

Alright. I read the article. I'm too dumb to get its significance. Does this article make some kind of pro or anti evolution statement? Can someone please explain the significance in layman's terms?

p.s. I'm a Catholic so I don't have a dog in the evolution fight, it just bugs me when I read something and I still don't get it.

[dirtboy]

Templeton said that the fossil record indicates a significant change in brain size for modern humans at 700,000 years ago as well

Unfortunately, the first over-educated intellectuals developed right after that.

[ovrtaxt]

Maybe this explains why I have a thing for black chicks.

[Varda]

One critique -
"Stanford University geneticist Peter A. Underhill is more critical of Templeton's approach. The number of people whose nuclear DNA sequences were analyzed in the new report was too small to provide convincing evidence, Underhill says.

No ancient gene sequences have been identified in living people that reflect their ancestors' interbreeding with Neandertals or any other extinct Homo species, the Stanford researcher says."

That's the problem with the Multiregional hypothesis, there's no evidence for it.

[shuckmaster]

fyi

[wolfcreek]

Maybe during glacial periods, ancient Asians and Europians moved back to Africa. When you mix all the different colors of people together, what do you get? Black!

[bill1952]

I do wonder about his using his own computer program to validate his own research, but hey, perhaps thats just me remembering the GIGO theory.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks shuckmaster. Pinging GGG to another Crevo bloodbath, just because it's quite interesting. Of course, the idea that geography can be traced ad hoc by genetic studies (or in the case of mtDNA, "studies") is specious.

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[ahayes]

Let's note that wiping out a population does not exclude the possibility of interbreeding with it. There's no reason to assume that our habit of enslaving women from the population on the losing side of a war started only recently.

I wonder if they accounted for this? I'm sure the magnitude of the genetic contributions of each population could tell the difference between peaceful coexistence and subjugation.

[VadeRetro]

Templeton has shown that the African populations interbred with the Eurasian populations — thus, making love, not war.

Yes! Stop history now, I'm finally right about something!

PS: Pittsburgh stole the Super Bowl via the referees.

[martin_fierro]

There was a show on NOVA last night about this.

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[Mike Darancette]

"Both (the 1.9 million and 700,000 year) expansions coincide with recent paleoclimatic data that indicate periods of very high rainfall in eastern Africa, making what is now the Sahara Desert a savanna," Templeton said. "That makes the timing very amenable for movements of large populations through the area."

Humans left the African Paradise, went to Europe and immediately ruined the earth's climate, twice.