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WA: Pappy Boyington Memorial Blocked at U-Dub
Paradosis | 2/10/06

Posted on 02/10/2006 1:57:56 PM PST by llevrok

We don't need to honor any more rich white males

So says one member of the University of Washington Student Senate.

Gregory Pappy Boyington...graduate of the Univeristy of Washington (went to High School in Tacoma), winner of the medal of honor, shot down 28 enemy aircraft, was a prisoner of war for 20 months, and apparently does not - according to the student senate - deserve a memorial on campus. Apparently we are told that he "is not the type of person we want to honor" and some even went so far as to liken his duty in WW2 to murder. One of the biggest antagonists of the proposal was apparently the leader of the student Democratic Party. How sad.

This issue is particularly interesting to me because I personally knew Pappy Boyington, not so much as a friend, but as a regular visitor to the Chino Air Museum and Air Show. I met him on numerous occassions and thoroughly enjoyed his willingness to tell me stories about his experiences - and I must say it was HEAVEN to this young man who'd rather feel his way around a restored Corsair than hang out at the mall with his contemporaries.

Pappy was famous for once saying: "Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum." And he knew this from personal experience. Pappy's childhood wasn't easy and he and his mother had to work VERY hard to get him through school - he was no rich boy and neither did he live off government grants...personally I wonder if those students who "shot this memorial down" could remotely say the same? And he was a real human being who did not hide his faults, particularly with alcohol and marital problems. Like all heros, no one is a "super" hero. While Pappy could work hard, he could "play" hard too and landed himself in trouble from time to time. Here is a more detailed story...from the University of Washington oddly enough.

Also, clearly, the student who made the racist statement never met him because I will tell you that you could not mistake the Sioux in him. And while he did write a best-selling book (best selling authors are a dime a dozen), he was never really a rich man...rather he spent most of his last days wandering through Air Shows reliving the glory days, never in any grand luxury that I saw. He seemed a very nice man, who despite his personal problems did some extraordinary things to help defend freedom and defeat tyranny and injustice.

But, have our Washington youth revised history so much as this? To compare Boyington (or for that matter any of our WW2 vets) to murderers? What are these kids being taught today? They don't deserve those 20 months Pappy spent being tortured and beaten in a Japanese prison camp...they don't deserve any of what our grandfathers and grandmothers sacrificed to free Europe and the Pacific. Is it perhaps because those precious people are soon to be gone that we feel free to engage in leftist amnesia? I'm angry about this...how dare these snot nose, hemp-wearing, pot smoking, drum beating, dreadlock wearing, "gee when is the financial aid check going to arrive", brat kids diss Pappy Boyington?

Maybe REAL rich white guys ought to be offended (like Bill Gates and Paul Allen) and stop donating money to the UW and then the Student Senators will find they don't have the time to be in the student senate because they need to get themselves real jobs.

If any WW2 vets read this blog, please accept my apology on behalf of the University of Washington - and particularly thier ignorant student senate. We remember what you all have done. My kids will remember too.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: ace; boyington; hero; highereducation; idiotlefties; leftismoncampus; marines; pappyboyington; usmc; veterans; wwii
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To: Bigh4u2
My favorite part of the minutes:

XI. Announcements

Magnus Gordon encouraged senators and their constituents to come to the HUB crawl for go-cart racing and a poetry slam on February the 16 th.

Hala Dillsi noted that GBLTC is having auditions for the drag show this week.

Selma Dillsi said APS is having its annual Human Rights Film Fest on February 15 th-19th.

Jill Edwards noted that Honors Croquet League is holding a match this Saturday.

Ashley Miller said this Thursday during noon passing periods groups would be playing The Privilidge Game in front of the HUB.

It was noted that tickets for the Vagina Monologues are currently available in the HUB ticket office.

Jon Lee said Innocence Project Northwest is having a screening at the Burke Museum regarding the death penalty.

Karl Smith noted the ACLU is having a meeting in Kane Hall this Saturday.

XII. Adjournment

The meeting adjourned at 7:03PM

51 posted on 02/10/2006 2:25:55 PM PST by Heyworth ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

Ashley is exactly what you picture her as...

http://depts.washington.edu/asuwvote/vp.html


52 posted on 02/10/2006 2:26:21 PM PST by IGOTMINE (Front Sight. Press. Follow Through. It's a way of life.)
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To: munin
Well, you could propose a statue of Mao or Lenin

There already is a statue of Lenin in Seattle (honest !)

53 posted on 02/10/2006 2:27:16 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa.)
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To: llevrok
Notice how I referred to your dad's captors? Can you tell I grew up in the early 50's?

As did I. I just thought I'd be politically correct. Not that I should have been.

54 posted on 02/10/2006 2:27:50 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: llevrok

Meanwhile Robert Byrd gets practically an entire state named after him, and Ted Kennedy's mother has an entire stretch of new soon to be built million dollar roadside park named after her.


55 posted on 02/10/2006 2:28:22 PM PST by Radix (I really love the liberals they put the FUN in funerals.)
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To: Heyworth

I didn't read the whole thing. What I did read was disgusting enough!


56 posted on 02/10/2006 2:28:57 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2
Ashley Miller: "Many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."

http://depts.washington.edu/asuwvote/vp.html#P1

57 posted on 02/10/2006 2:31:04 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: IGOTMINE

"As candidate for Vice President of ASUW, I’m committed to creating a more inclusive, informed, and active campus community."

Apparently not!


58 posted on 02/10/2006 2:31:17 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: IGOTMINE
Miller - Sheehan: Two peas in a pod.
59 posted on 02/10/2006 2:33:00 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: Bushbacker1
"I've had WWII vets share with me the unbelievably gruesome, at times, hard to listen to, treatment of the POW's by the Japanese."
 
Oh yes.
 
If you haven't already, you might want to consider reading this book.

60 posted on 02/10/2006 2:34:56 PM PST by Radix (I really love the liberals they put the FUN in funerals.)
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To: llevrok

Boyington's Final Interview!
http://www.furl.net/item.jsp?id=3150491
http://www.furl.net/item.jsp?id=3150491


61 posted on 02/10/2006 2:35:46 PM PST by gunnyg
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To: llevrok

You have to look at it this way friend, The University of Washington doesnt deserve to be able to host a Memorial to Boyington.

Screw them I believe is what pappy would say.


62 posted on 02/10/2006 2:35:55 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Libertina; ferri; I.D.E.A; Zarro; paulat; Jack Black; Salmonslayer; elder5; Checkers; ...
Thanks to Horatio Gates for the ping.


Evergreen State ping

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.

Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

63 posted on 02/10/2006 2:36:12 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Libs: Celebrate MY diversity! | Iran Azadi 2006 | Is it March yet?)
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To: Bushbacker1
Wow! You're right. She could be Sindy's daughter.


64 posted on 02/10/2006 2:36:50 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: llevrok
Thank you, I already saw that on an earlier post, I was amazed
65 posted on 02/10/2006 2:38:05 PM PST by munin ( I support the war on Muslim terror and GWB Multi culturism will be the bane of our civilization)
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To: Radix
I suggest Flags of Our Fathers, The Greatest Generation, and your suggestion, "Flyboys"

All three will give one a superb foundation in why Brokaw nailed it with his title of the Greatest Generation.

66 posted on 02/10/2006 2:38:26 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa.)
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To: barj
I met him a few times at El Toro.You were in the presence of a great Marine and a great character. I am envious !!!
67 posted on 02/10/2006 2:40:54 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa.)
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To: T.Smith

She should work as a barmaid she could open beer bottles with those teeth.


68 posted on 02/10/2006 2:43:10 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: llevrok

What in the hell is going on at UW?????


69 posted on 02/10/2006 2:43:23 PM PST by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: advance_copy

I don't see them returning money from Rich White Males.


70 posted on 02/10/2006 2:44:24 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: ANGGAPO
>>>University of Washington. Sounds like a bunch of pot smoking bums that should get a life. It's just to damned bad that they can't be drafted. <<<

I live about 3 miles from the campus. 89% of the students look like pot smoking bums that spent the night sleeping behind a bush in pants with the crotch someshere about mid calf.

Fortunately, we have a volunteer military force. You wouldn't one of these loser-types defending the country. The only thing they would fight for it the next hit on the bong.

My alma mater, Univ. of Colorado, boasts Ward Churchill, so I haven't got anything to be proud of either!

71 posted on 02/10/2006 2:48:16 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: llevrok
He was not a "rich white guy"
72 posted on 02/10/2006 2:48:16 PM PST by winddream
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To: winddream

73 posted on 02/10/2006 2:50:17 PM PST by winddream
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To: Bushbacker1

Curious,apparently your dad survived or you wouldn`t be posting,but what kind of condition was he in when he was freed from that camp?Was he a pilot also?

I loved that show when it was on.Pappy was a hero no doubt.

It`s unbelievable to me to be protesting a Medal of Honor winner.

They have no shame and nothing but hate for America or `murika as they call it


74 posted on 02/10/2006 2:50:51 PM PST by 31M20RedDevil
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To: llevrok

http://www.furl.net/item.jsp?id=5941900
http://www.furl.net/item.jsp?id=5941900


75 posted on 02/10/2006 2:51:49 PM PST by gunnyg
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To: Bigh4u2
Jill Edwards said she didn’t’ believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce.

Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men.

Karl Smith amended the first ‘whereas’ clause to strike the section “he was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform for which he was” and leaving the reference to the Navy Cross. Seconded. Objection.

He said the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington’s service, not his killing of others. Andrew Everett said a destroyed aircraft was not necessarily indicative that a pilot had died. He said the statistic on aircraft downed explained Colonel Boyington’s achievements and why his performance was noteworthy.

Deidre Lockman said she was in favor of the resolution and approved of Karl Smith’s amendment.

Sam Al-Khoury moved to close debate on the amendment. Seconded. Passed without objection. The amendment passed.

Erin Shields asked what the process is for erecting a memorial on campus.

Andrew Everett said it was a process he would push through personally.

He said it would go to the university administration, then to the Capital Projects Committee for placement consideration, and back to the administration for a final discussion on the monument. Niki Iglesias moved to close debate. Seconded. Objection. The motion failed.

Shawn Fisher moved to amend the second ‘that’ clause and strike the deadline of 11 January 2008.

He said he was against the resolution, but that if it did pass, he wanted the statue to be of a high quality and said the project shouldn’t be rushed.

Mikhail Smirnoff noted the resolution didn’t require the statue to be finished, but merely have the process started by that time. Melissa Aar said she was against the amendment because of the significance of the date.

Shawn Fisher moved to close debate. Seconded. Passed without objection.

Debate was closed. The amendment failed.

A Senator said he feared Senate was rubber stamping a project that it didn’t know enough about. He noted that Senate didn’t have any specification for the statue’s appearance or details on its placement.

Jon Lee said he didn’t want to see a campus inundated with memorials.

He said he feared this would open the invitation to multiple other memorials.

Andrew Everett said he envisioned a monument similar to the Lincoln Brigade outside of the HUB. He said he respected the history of the UW institution and the people it has produced and that the UW owes it to students to honors those from the past.

Deidre Lockman moved to strike the quote from President Roosevelt. Seconded. Objection.

She said the resolution focused more heavily on the negative aspects of war and should instead focus on more positive aspects such as the awarding of the Medal of Honor.

Travis Grandy moved to amend the amendment to restore “whose citation was signed by pres. Franklin D Roosevelt in March 1944”. Seconded. Passed without objection.

Shawn Fisher said he thought the quote was unnecessary and reflected badly on the resolution.

Alex Kerchner said the issue was clear cut and that it didn’t make any sense to commend Colonel Boyington for his Medal of Honor, and yet remove the reason it was awarded.

Mikhail Smirnoff said it was important to note what the Colonel actually achieved. He said it didn’t make sense to not acknowledge why he was awarded the Medal of Honor.

Jon Evans moved to close debate on the amendment. Seconded. Objection. The motion passed. Debate was closed on the amendment. The amendment failed.

I really wish I knew what to say about these lefty idiots, but words fail me.

76 posted on 02/10/2006 2:53:00 PM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: llevrok
"Recall, Seattle has a statue of Lenin in one of their more "hip" neighborhoods, Freemont."


77 posted on 02/10/2006 2:55:52 PM PST by Outland (Proud right-wing conspirator.)
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To: llevrok

What did Robert Conrad do to deserve this kind of treatment?


78 posted on 02/10/2006 3:00:10 PM PST by doctor noe
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To: Volunteer

over run by liberals.


79 posted on 02/10/2006 3:05:27 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: doctor noe

Bob Conrad would be knocking more that batteries off of folks' shoulders were he in Seattle today.


80 posted on 02/10/2006 3:07:35 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa.)
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To: 91B
He said it didn’t make sense to not acknowledge why he was awarded the Medal of Honor.

yeah. Like he spent his youth in student senate meetings to earn the CMoH!

81 posted on 02/10/2006 3:10:08 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa.)
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To: llevrok

Just a note on something that hasn't been mentioned yet - Boyington was one of the Flying Tigers, and thus one of the first Americans to enter World War 2.


82 posted on 02/10/2006 3:13:08 PM PST by TexasBarak (I don't know about you folks, but I aim to misbehave.)
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To: llevrok
I once met a former Flying Tiger who told me Pappy was not well liked but was a really great pilot.

Whatever, he deserves our appreciation an honor for what he did.

83 posted on 02/10/2006 3:13:12 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog; TexasBarak
I once met a former Flying Tiger who told me Pappy was not well liked but was a really great pilot.

I did not know he was a Tiger. The perfect outfit for a wild hair like Boyington.

Gen Chenault was military a genuis, IMHO.

84 posted on 02/10/2006 3:17:51 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa.)
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To: llevrok
We are poor little lambs, that have lost our way....baaaaa, baaaaa, baaaaa
85 posted on 02/10/2006 3:36:25 PM PST by DocRock
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To: DocRock

This is what happens when American History
is no longer taught as a mandatory subject
high school/college, or even offered in the
battery of subjects
Hoppinjohn


86 posted on 02/10/2006 4:30:17 PM PST by hoppin john
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To: barj
"I met him a few times at El Toro. While he frequently had too much to drink on those occasions, he was a great guy. Definitely a drinking problem, though. Miss him."

I met Pappy Boyington at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in late 1962 at San Rafael CA. He gave his first name as "Greg." He and I talked a lot about drinking, WWII, and the Marines. I was lucky enough to sober up and move on. On March 15 this year I will be dry for 43 years straight.

Time passes, and the WWII vets time passes like a chronological avalanche.

The commie scum, pansy, radical feminist, and stupid, cowardly, Rat's time is also running out.

What's going to be so fun to watch is that the college punks and their favorite degenerate professors are going to meet a fate that is ferocious, final, and deeply satisfying in a blood soaked way.

I will probably be here when it does. I will enjoy watching the destruction of those at the UW as well as the college where my daughter teaches in Oregon. It will be on TV because it will be in the streets as well as on campus.
87 posted on 02/10/2006 4:35:13 PM PST by doxteve
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To: llevrok

I met Pappy Boyington once back in 1980 at an airshow down in Florida. Great guy! Personally I'd rather not have the Colonel's named dirtied by having it associated with a dirty little commie school like U Dub!


88 posted on 02/10/2006 4:46:15 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: llevrok

Medal of Honor Citation
BOYINGTON, GREGORY

Rank and organization: Major, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, Marine Squadron 214. Place and date: Central Solomons area, from 12 September 1943 to 3 January 1944. Entered service at: Washington. Born: 4 December 1912, Coeur D'Alene, Idaho. Other Navy award: Navy Cross. Citation: For extraordinary heroism and valiant devotion to duty as commanding officer of Marine Fighting Squadron 214 in action against enemy Japanese forces in the Central Solomons area from 12 September 1943 to 3 January 1944. Consistently outnumbered throughout successive hazardous flights over heavily defended hostile territory, Maj. Boyington struck at the enemy with daring and courageous persistence, leading his squadron into combat with devastating results to Japanese shipping, shore installations, and aerial forces. Resolute in his efforts to inflict crippling damage on the enemy, Maj. Boyington led a formation of 24 fighters over Kahili on 17 October and, persistently circling the airdrome where 60 hostile aircraft were grounded, boldly challenged the Japanese to send up planes. Under his brilliant command, our fighters shot down 20 enemy craft in the ensuing action without the loss of a single ship. A superb airman and determined fighter against overwhelming odds, Maj. Boyington personally destroyed 26 of the many Japanese planes shot down by his squadron and, by his forceful leadership, developed the combat readiness in his command which was a distinctive factor in the Allied aerial achievements in this vitally strategic area


89 posted on 02/10/2006 4:47:55 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: llevrok

I drove through UW just today and thought nothing nice to myself.


90 posted on 02/10/2006 4:51:07 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Women were put on Earth to look hot. Men are here to be stupid about it.)
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21

It just so happens I came across Pappy's autographed picture the other day. Something that needs saved for the kids.

Semper Fi


91 posted on 02/10/2006 5:25:47 PM PST by dd5339 (A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path.)
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To: 91B
Jill Edwards said she didn’t’ believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce.

Someone tell this moronic strumpet that without Col Boyington and others like him it's possible that the very place she sits could now be a wasteland caused by the Japanese fighting the Germans over the territory.

92 posted on 02/10/2006 6:14:18 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: 31M20RedDevil
what kind of condition was he in when he was freed from that camp?Was he a pilot also?

Yes! He was a B-29 pilot. Shot down over Tokyo. As I understand it, and he wouldn't talk much about it, they (he) were beaten quite badly by the Japs. He had scars on his head and back from the beatings. He lost a lot of weight as far as I could surmize. Here is a photo of POW's at the Omori POW camp upon learning of the end of the war:(From Hap Halloran)

93 posted on 02/10/2006 6:27:41 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: IGOTMINE

Poor Ashley is as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside. Maybe she'll grow up to be a Rachel Corrie and try to stop a bulldozer. What a disgrace to the U.W.


94 posted on 02/10/2006 6:55:05 PM PST by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: IGOTMINE

Poor Ashley is as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside. Maybe she'll grow up to be a Rachel Corrie and try to stop a bulldozer. What a disgrace to the U.W.


95 posted on 02/10/2006 6:56:17 PM PST by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: llevrok
The infamous , Student Senate minutes, featuring all the good little Marxists (along with a brave American or two). See pages 5 thru 8.

The ignorance of the arrogant...

96 posted on 02/10/2006 7:30:44 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: wolfgang13

Got my vote. As far as I am concerned, the sooner we start, the better.


97 posted on 02/10/2006 7:40:34 PM PST by sport
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

She would not be here.Her parents would have been either a lampshade or a bar of soap.


98 posted on 02/10/2006 8:34:43 PM PST by sport
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To: Bigh4u2
Thanks for the link!

I think that you should all take notice of the true reason why these self-consumed, arrogant, pinheads needed to fast-track this proposal into oblivion - you just need to read on to the really important stuff:

Magnus Gordon encouraged senators and their constituents to come to the HUB crawl for go-cart racing and a poetry slam on February the 16th.

Hala Dillsi noted that the GBLTC is having auditions for the drag show this week.
Selma Dillsi said APS is having its annual Human Rights Film Fest on February 15th - 19th.

Jill Edwards noted that Honors Croquet League is holding a match this Saturday.

Ashley Miller said this Thursday during noon passing periods groups would be playing the Privilidge (sic) Game in front of the HUB.

It was noted that tickets for the Vagina Monologues are currently available in the HUB ticket office.

Jon Lee said Innocence Project Northwest is having a screening at the Burke Museum regarding the death penalty.


Now who has time to honor true American Heroes when you can be sleeping through another stirring rendition of the Vagina Monologues?
99 posted on 02/10/2006 9:22:46 PM PST by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: sionnsar

Contact Vice-President Ashley Miller at asuwvp@u.washington.edu


Maybe you can PING the WA list with her contact info.

I am so completely PISSED by this.

I can tell you where my sons WON'T be going to college!


100 posted on 02/11/2006 7:55:48 AM PST by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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