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As hunting accidents go, Cheney's is not unusual
Dallas Morning News ^ | Tuesday February 14,2006 | Ray Sasser

Posted on 02/14/2006 4:09:57 AM PST by IrishMike

Vice President, Victim share blame in incident, Texas experts say.......Vice President Dick Cheney's hunting accident was a textbook example of a Texas bird-hunting mishap, and experts say both he and his victim violated basic hunting safety rules. According to Texas Parks and Wildlife records, swinging a shot gun outside a safe zone of fire is the No#1 cause of hunting accidents. On Saturday, the vice president was swinging his shot gun with a flying quail when the bird flew near Austin layer Harry Whittington as the shot was fired. Mr. Whittington was struck in the face and upper body by pellets from Mr. cheney's #28 gauge shot gun. The accident occured on the Armstrong ranch, south of Corpus Christi. Katherine Armstrong, a Dallas business woman whose family owns the ranch, said Mr. Whittington had been looking for a fallen bird and walked up behind Mr. Cheney and another hunter without announcing his presence. Ms. Armstrong is a knowledgeable hunter and was the first female chairman of the Parks and Wildlife Commission. Bird hunters become so focused on their fast moving targets that their visual background may become blurred. "In hunter education, we refer to that phenomenon as 'target fixation'", said Mr. Hall. "Every year, its the primary cause of Texas bird hunting accidents. In 2005, we had 13 reported hunting accidents that involved bird hunters. Twelve of those accidents were caused by swinging the shot gun outside a safe line of fire".

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1 posted on 02/14/2006 4:10:00 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike; All
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Is it my imagination or did the media already spend more time on Cheney than all the beheadings?




2 posted on 02/14/2006 4:13:41 AM PST by backhoe
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To: IrishMike
Here's the untold stories that the White House is withholding:

Quail: 'lawyer season!'
Lawyer: 'quail season!'
Quail: 'lawyer season!'
Lawyer: 'quail season!'
Quail: 'quail season!'
Lawyer: 'Lawyer season!'
Cheney: BOOM!

3 posted on 02/14/2006 4:15:24 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

28 gauge shot gun?? Never heard of one of those


4 posted on 02/14/2006 4:20:20 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: IrishMike
As hunting accidents go, Cheney's is not unusual

Perhaps not but, as usual, the DMN is among the first to print yesterday's news. There is no "here" here, but the dinomedia refuses to let this mildly titillating story go.

Guess there isn't anything in Iraq or Iran to drive them into a new feeding frenzy.
5 posted on 02/14/2006 4:20:34 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Always Right

LOL! I think you've got it!


6 posted on 02/14/2006 4:21:03 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: backhoe
Excellent!

I'm "struck" by every hunter I hear on tv or radio saying thay have been sprayed with birdshot. I believe the owner of the property in this incident said it has happened to him as well.

7 posted on 02/14/2006 4:23:58 AM PST by Williams
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I think what really has the MSM's shorts in a knot -- they were scooped by the local paper.

How can the White House cover up a non-story?

ann


8 posted on 02/14/2006 4:26:15 AM PST by Cloverfarm (Children are a blessing)
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To: DustyMoment
Perhaps not but, as usual, the DMN is among the first to print yesterday's news.

They're plumb tuckered out from justifying why they didn't print the Mohammed cartoons.

Freedom of the press, my foot!

With the exception of their sports page, the DMN is land fill fodder.

9 posted on 02/14/2006 4:27:11 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: IrishMike

Why the big deal by the news? The press is PO'd because their elites were not told first and no reporter was invited
on the private hunting trip.

Frankly, it would be a riot if a MSM reporter was hit by birdshot.


10 posted on 02/14/2006 4:27:20 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: IrishMike
"I'm sympathetic to the vice president and his hunting companion," said Dr. Rollins. "Every experienced quail hunter has had a close call. To quote the hunter safety instructors, however, hunting safety is no accident."

Most quail hunters around here shrug their shoulders and wonder what all the fuss about?  Happens all the time, they'll tell you.

Bet the guys and gals on the receiving end of bird shot sure wished it didn't, though.

11 posted on 02/14/2006 4:29:39 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Williams

The metrosexual east coasters just can't get it right. Even over at National Review Online they've referred to Whittington as being sprayed with "buckshot".

Well no, not hardly. Buckshot would have stung quite a bit more than what Whittington was sprayed wit.


12 posted on 02/14/2006 4:29:50 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72

28 gauge is not common but is a superior alternative to the .410 bore for small, fast moving birds. It has a fair amount more shot and more reliable patterns.


13 posted on 02/14/2006 4:30:38 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: Neville72

28 ga? thats new to me


14 posted on 02/14/2006 4:31:03 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Lumper20

Change MSM (main stream media)
to 'antique' news


15 posted on 02/14/2006 4:31:08 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: Lumper20

If Cheney shot one of those idiots from the White House press gaggle, I'd still be smiling.

"Damn sir, that's one ugly bird. No wait...that's Helen Thomas."


16 posted on 02/14/2006 4:31:24 AM PST by Callahan
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To: IrishMike

The question that I have is why didn't the Secret Service spot Whittington and advise Cheney?


17 posted on 02/14/2006 4:33:05 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin. Bush is a globalist.)
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To: backhoe
LOL!!! I'd love to get a t-shirt like that. I'd add it to my collection, which includes this one:

For those who aren't following college hoops this year, the message pertains to Adam Morrison of Gonzaga University. Gonzaga fans have had great fun responding to the criticism by opposing fans of Adam's first attempt at facial hair.

If you saw Saturday night's game on ESPN, the message was sent loud and clear, as most of the 6000 in attendance sported fake moustaches.

18 posted on 02/14/2006 4:34:24 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: Neville72

C'mon give those guys a break. The only shotgun they've seen is in the movies or in the back of a police car. /sarcasm


19 posted on 02/14/2006 4:36:45 AM PST by opticks
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To: Neville72
28 gauge shot gun?? Never heard of one of those

It is the smallest of the shotgun gauges. There is one smaller shotgun but it is named for the size of its bore: the .410. The names of the gauges (10, 12, 16, 20, 28 from largest to smallest) comes from the number of lead balls it takes to weigh one pound if the lead balls are sized the same as the diameter of the shotgun barrel in question.

20 posted on 02/14/2006 4:36:49 AM PST by T-Bird45
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To: Neville72
28 gauge shot gun?? Never heard of one of those

It's right inbetween the 27 and 29 gauge

Seriously, that is a small gauge shot gun (bore opening) commonly used for close in bird hunting

21 posted on 02/14/2006 4:36:56 AM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa.)
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To: ko_kyi

Thanks that's interesting. I use a 20 gauge for small game birds(dove, quail)and a 12 and 10 gauge for duck and geese;

I'd never heard of a 28 guage before.


22 posted on 02/14/2006 4:37:10 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72


That's because in the North East several counties are shotgun only, specially the counties that city folk hunt, with 99% of the hunting being for deer, the vast majority of which are killed Thanksgiving week using #12 gage shotguns firing 'buckshot'.


23 posted on 02/14/2006 4:39:55 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: T-Bird45

Thanks for the education.
Makes perfect sense.


24 posted on 02/14/2006 4:41:33 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: T-Bird45

There's also a 32 gauge, but that's mostly a Brit thing.


25 posted on 02/14/2006 4:43:26 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: IrishMike
Napoleon shot out one of his marshal's eyes. I think it was Marshal Massena. It was a hunting accident as well.
26 posted on 02/14/2006 4:44:39 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: Racehorse

The sheer silliness of this whole thing is blowing me away (probably a poor choice of words!) I know quite well how to handle a shotgun, how accidents happen, and how terribly excited non-shooting liberals are about this accident. In a "lighter" note (and if there was EVER a 'light in the loafers" it's Ron Reagan...Mr. TuTu himself), THE Ronald Reagan, gentleman, horse lover, and shooter, must be rolling in his grave.

I am adding another FR comment to my BEST OF:

1. Best comment I've read...from another FR thread:

"Miss Kopechne could not be reached for comment"
12 posted on 02/13/2006 6:02:31 AM CST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)


2. LOL. How bout these lines for Cheney's next press corps dinner speech;

"Ted Kennedy and I are going hunting this weekend. He's driving and I'm riding shotgun."

"I took my wife hunting with me. She was scared out of her wits but decided to stay after Teddy offered to drive her home."
32 posted on 02/13/2006 6:33:09 AM CST by Callahan

And...lest we forget...John Kerry, #1 hero from Viet Nam, pictured with a dead Canada goose in one hand and his shotgun in the other. Why, oh why, do these violent men have to KILL things?

It's my guess the Vietnamese guy Kerry shot IN THE BACK and was on the receiving end of a heavy-duty rifle sure wished it hadn't happened, either.

No offense...just the irrationality of the current MSM and the glee they seem to be finding in this whole thing. I'm amazed that most of them can even read their scripts...much less find toilet paper to wipe...AH! never mind!


27 posted on 02/14/2006 4:46:11 AM PST by Maria S
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To: Cloverfarm; conservatism_IS_compassion
I think what really has the MSM's shorts in a knot -- they were scooped by the local paper.

How can the White House cover up a non-story?

Bird hunters Reporters become so focused on their fast moving targets that their visual background may become blurred. "In hunter education, we refer to that phenomenon as 'target fixation'"...

28 posted on 02/14/2006 4:58:00 AM PST by F-117A
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To: Williams

"I'm "struck" by every hunter I hear on tv or radio saying thay have been sprayed with birdshot. I believe the owner of the property in this incident said it has happened to him as well."

My husband says this "news" has gotten the attention of some coworkers, who by the way, don't give a flip about politics. They, too, say incidents like this happen all the time and they're laughing at the MSM for making a big deal out of it. Me thinks the lamestream media has shot themselves in the foot... so to speak.


29 posted on 02/14/2006 5:00:36 AM PST by LibSnubber (Liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: Neville72
28 gauge shot gun?? Never heard of one of those.

I have noticed that the 28 gauge is usually part of a brace of skeet guns. Yes, I've heard of the 28 guage, but I have never seen 28 guage shells for sale in any of the sporting goods store I once frequented.

I suspect the lower recoil is preferred along with it might be a tad more sporting because of the lessor shot than a 12 or 20 gauge gun.

30 posted on 02/14/2006 5:02:39 AM PST by RAY
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To: RAY

Best deal on 28 ga Winchester AA is at Wally World.


31 posted on 02/14/2006 5:04:29 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: T-Bird45

My dad had a 8 gauge at one time, that was a brute!


32 posted on 02/14/2006 5:11:17 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: backhoe

At least Cheney got help for his companion, rather than abandoning him while he spoke with his lawyers.

33 posted on 02/14/2006 5:12:17 AM PST by syriacus (--------- Jimmy Carter is the world's only SELF-canonized saint ----------)
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To: Neville72

By the 1970's, again according to Jack O'Connor, the sales of 12 gauge guns and shells had declined somewhat to less than 50% of the market. The 20 gauge had taken over second place with about 20% of the market, and was still increasing its market share. The 20 had become the favored upland gauge, and the 20 gauge 3" magnum load with 1 1/4 ounce of shot (the same as the traditional 12 gauge "duck and pheasant" load) had become popular for waterfowl. The 16 was in third place, with something less than 20% of the market, and fading. The .410 was up to 10% and the 28 and 10 gauges brought up the rear, with the 10 still slipping.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/intro_gauges.htm


34 posted on 02/14/2006 5:12:21 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: RAY
There is a concept of "too much gun" where you use a large bore gun to shoot a small thin skinned bird. If you do this there isn't much left to eat. So small gauge guns are popular when hunting small birds like quail, woodcock or partridge. (This line was actually uttered by Rooster Cogburn when his partner shot a turkey but had tore it up a bit)

Pheasant are larger and tougher so you use a 20 or 12 gauge for those, and for Turkey and Duck or Goose it's usually a 12 or 10 gauge with Magnum shells.

There is a great deal of science and physics to it because the shot sizes change as well.

With all that said, a 28 gauge is usually the first choice on a skeet field for women because of it's low recoil, and for those shooters who are so expert that they prefer a greater challenge. My 5'1'' 103 lb wife shoots my Benelli 12 gauge just fine, but we're getting her a smaller gun this year so she can shoot more regularly. We're going to try her with a 20 gauge because the shells typically cost less, but if it's still too much for her we'll go with a 28.

35 posted on 02/14/2006 5:19:37 AM PST by tcostell
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To: Neville72
Here is a chart of shot sizes. Per the police report, Cheney's shot size was 7 1/2 (on right side of chart 4th shot down):


Police report: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0213061cheney2.html

I am sure a 7 1/2 still hurts, but it looks better than getting hit by a "000" buckshot.

36 posted on 02/14/2006 5:21:21 AM PST by frankjr
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To: Maria S
No offense...just the irrationality of the current MSM and the glee they seem to be finding in this whole thing. I'm amazed that most of them can even read their scripts...much less find toilet paper to wipe...AH! never mind!

Didn't find a hint of offense anywhere . . . so, I guess none can be taken.  :-)

But watching Scott McClellan's press briefing via the cable was a hoot.

You woulda thought Cheney did something really horrible, like slander the country in a speech to the Jiddah Economic Forum.  Not so surprising, Al Gore's name and words did not evoke so much as a whisper from the press corps. 

37 posted on 02/14/2006 5:22:03 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Williams
I Never realized how many people get shot accidentally either......
No worry....pretty soon hunting will be gone.....the animals are almost all gone.
38 posted on 02/14/2006 5:23:12 AM PST by Fawn (I want the Madonna and Mick Jagger diet and excercise books!!!)
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To: Williams
I too have been on both sides of shot dusting but at sufficient distant that the shot barely broke exposed skin. The MSM are really thirsting to make hay without seed. I wouldn't talk to them at all as they reek of hate and disrespect and their jihad against the administration runneth over.
I like the 28 ga., as well.

mc
39 posted on 02/14/2006 5:27:12 AM PST by mcshot (Rusty but trusty or vice versa.)
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To: Racehorse
Most quail hunters around here shrug their shoulders and wonder what all the fuss about? Happens all the time, they'll tell you.

Happens all the time?

I don't know about that---I've been bird hunting now for over a decade and it hasn't happened to me or to anyone with whom I hunt. But that's because we're careful enough not to draw a bead on anything below eye level, lest you run the risk of hitting the dog mid-point or mid-flush.

There is no excuse for what Dick Cheney did. None.

40 posted on 02/14/2006 5:32:27 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Happens all the time?

I don't know about that---

I'm not a quail hunter.  I wouldn't know.  Never much been interested in shooting birds.  I prefer, or rather preferred, different game.  These days, I'm pretty much on the sidelines of most outdoor sports.

But, the people I quoted, definitely qualify as anciently experienced.  So, it probably happens a bit more frequently than folks might think.

There is no excuse for what Dick Cheney did. None.

We are agreed.  Cheney probably does too.  :-)

41 posted on 02/14/2006 5:41:47 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Racehorse

Saw somewhere where Al Gore's speech / the event in Saudia Arabia was actually sponsered by the Bin Ladden family.


42 posted on 02/14/2006 5:45:26 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: frankjr

It was a birdshot, not a buckshot


43 posted on 02/14/2006 5:46:50 AM PST by Kaslin ("Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy" President G.W. Bush)
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To: Kaslin

Yes, that's why the post refers to the #7 1/2 shot size.


44 posted on 02/14/2006 5:48:50 AM PST by frankjr
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To: Williams
What's missing, though, is the lack of info about the gun involved. I haven't heard, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been reported. 12 guage? 20? Over/Under? Semi-auto? Pump?

Missing is any reference to the terrifying semi-automatic assault shotgun favored by terrorists and militia-types, capable of holding "x" number of shells, the type used by SWAT teams and tunnel-rats in Vietnam, capable of spraying pellets over a wide area. Nor have we heard anything about an aresenal of w----ns that the VP has on hand.

Will have to take note of how the media treats other shotgun-related stories in the future.

45 posted on 02/14/2006 6:12:14 AM PST by Simo Hayha (An eduction is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend against harm.)
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To: Neville72
Well no, not hardly. Buckshot would have stung quite a bit more than what Whittington was sprayed wit.

Yea,like it would have killed him!

46 posted on 02/14/2006 6:20:57 AM PST by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: Simo Hayha

28 gage
fairly common for small bird / game hunting.


47 posted on 02/14/2006 6:46:50 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: backhoe
.....luv it.....

.....look fer this to happen next.....

Roger Harvell
Greenville News
Feb 14, 2006

48 posted on 02/14/2006 6:50:34 AM PST by cyberaxe (((.....does this mean I'm kewl now?.....)))
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To: Fawn
the animals are almost all gone.
That's not my experience on Long Island. It's built up so there's less habitat for critters (and more for people) - but we go for a walk at dawn, we occasionally see deer. In a suburb.

49 posted on 02/14/2006 7:20:17 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Neville72

"28 gauge shot gun?? Never heard of one of those"

Really. They're actually not that uncommon. It is the smallest of the shotguns measured in gauge. The only smaller shotgun is the .410.

They're nice for quail and other small upland game, because they're light, easy to handle, and are adequate for the job.

That said, most folks use 20 ga. guns for upland game.


50 posted on 02/14/2006 7:45:48 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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